This is a classic of the Lex tweet genre, so let me break it down. He starts by emphasising his pure motivations and offering a reminder of how his family directly suffered from the Nazi's occupation of Ukraine in WW2. If the tweet ended here, this wouldn't be a Lex classic.
Lex instead chose to use this to frontload his lengthy response to criticism. This means that when people are critical of his other points, Lex and his defenders will shake their heads about how insensitive people are when he was just relating his very personal family trauma.
The thread continues with Lex suggesting that many of his friends in Ukraine are saying the attacks against him are coming from Ukrainian bot farms. And he wants to make it clear that he disagrees because even if it is true and people are joining "the witch-burning hysteria",...
Lex thinks it's better intellectually to not reactively dismiss criticisms. So to recap: 1. Lex has posted that many in Ukraine think the attacks against him are from Ukranian bot farms (do those even exist?). 2. He's compared criticisms against him to witch-burning hysteria...
... and linked it to polarisation in US politics. 3. He then suggested he is too fair to his critics and welcoming of criticism to endorse the accusations that he just posted.
In short, he has posited conspiracies, attacked his critics, and asked for credit for not doing that.
Another wrinkle here is that while posting about such fair-minded idealism in dealing with critics, Lex is following his long-standing habit on social media of immediately blocking anyone, including long-term fans, who raise even mild criticism of his positions.
Next, Lex reminds everyone of both his pure intentions and how dishonest his critics are. He also frames his past trip to Ukraine as about two things: his personal development and getting an interview with Zelenskyy. The unstated point: it wasn't about doing any other interviews.
Why is Lex framing things like this? Because he conducted interviews with some people in Ukraine that he did not release despite repeatedly saying that he would. People, especially Ukrainians, have criticised him for this. So this is Lex indirectly addressing these points.
Next is the actual defence. Again front-loading that his motivations are pure and he spoke to loads of people off-mic. This isn't what the criticism he received was about. It is about the recorded & unreleased interviews. His actual response to the criticism cam be summarised as:
1. He never intended to publish them as standalone episodes but as part of a mega-documentary after his Zelenskyy interview (which was never agreed on). 2. The off-mic conversations with ordinary soldiers and civilians were better and more powerful than his on-mic conversations.
3. The on-mic conversations were too short, too shallow, and relied on generic questions. Lex only feels comfortable releasing 3-5 hr deep dive podcasts. Since he failed to dig deeper, he failed, and could not release them.
So there are some issues here. 1. Lex previously declared his intentions to release at least some of the interviews, including on his social media accounts. He has since deleted the relevant YouTube & Reddit comments but other people responded to them and some quote what he said.
2. Lex made the same claim when he went to Israel. He still released interviews but added a 10-minute compilation of clips from people in the West Bank.
3a. He has interviewed various people for around 1 hr. Here are some from the past year, Bernie Sanders, Dana White...
...Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Benjamin Netanyahu, Lisa Randall, Mark Zuckerberg.
3b. Lex's questions are typically generic and superficial, see his interview with Trump or Netanyahu. His primary skill is being indulgent & sycophantic + asking wide-eyed questions that mention love.
So to summarise again: Lex's back catalogue contains a lot of superficial conversations and various shorter episodes, typically with politicians or rich people. So his scrupulousness when it comes to the Ukraine content seems out of character.
Next up Lex talks about how almost everyone he spoke to likes him & supports him & many are now his good friends. By implication, if you are annoyed at him not releasing the interview he promised that's you being unreasonable and in a tiny minority. Also, note Lex invoking...
...his favourite wounded bird pose: he's deeply sorry for how badly he failed in the interviews + he promises to work really hard to get better. Do you still want to criticise him? If so remember, he is trying with all his heart to speak to everyone with compassion & empathy!
Finally, we end with some classic Lex. He will continue to be attacked relentlessly by bad-faith actors (who some are saying are bots, not Lex though). As for him, he loves you all and he's just out here appreciating sunrises. Do you really want to post something critical now?
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Balaji Srinivasan just posted a 1000+ word tweet to explain why Huberman displaying statistical incompetence and issuing a self congratulatory correction (after it went viral) proves he’s actually a better source of information than out of touch elites & moribund institutions.
Balaji is an epic bloviator and the epitome of a podcast guru clocking up 7hrs+ with Lex and 4hrs+ with Sam Harris. His post above conveniently ignores that Huberman trades on his Stanford credentials and is a millionaire, just like Rogan & Johnson. There’s a sales pitch about…
…empowering the audience, but Rogan fans have heard the contempt with which he speaks about poor people working dead end jobs. Balaji, like Rogan/Elon, and really all podcast gurus, is a pretentious elitist windbag who trades on populist rhetoric. But y’know he’s rich so 🤷🏻♂️.
There was a rather heated debate that played out in part in Nature regarding whether evidence for Moralistic High Gods tends to come before or after the emergence of complex societies cross culturally. I think this is largely an unresolvable question due to 1) the limitations…
…in historical & archaeological evidence and 2) the relationship will likely have been different in different locations due to various contextual factors. Other researchers disagree and think we can infer general relationships from the data we have.
The controversy over the Nature paper revolved around how they treated missing data in their datasets. There were debates about the coding of data, the statistical analysis, and the validity of inferences. In any case people still disagree.
This was very interesting to listen to in order to better understand Huberman & Attia’s approach to science and examining scientific papers. It highlights both their strengths and weaknesses, as well as illustrating the reasons they attract such large followings.
In ‘guru’ presentation terms rather obviously they are both excellent speakers. They talk authoritatively & confidently. They also readily slip into using complex technical language, yet always remember to summarise points with simplified metaphors or descriptions afterwards.
The effect of this to a non-specialist audience is to give the impression of a high level technical discussion, made accessible because of the summaries. Whether you see this as performative or reflective of their expertise will probably depend on your attitude towards them.
This 10,000-word article by Scott Alexander following up on his previous 15,000 one on Ivermectin is a good illustration for me of the limitations of the rationalists. So much ink spilt to arrive at a conclusion relevant experts reached long ago & still... astralcodexten.substack.com/p/response-to-…
...seemingly little appreciation that researchers are not capable of replicating what conspiracy theorists & anti-vaxxers generate because their success relies on misrepresentation & zealotry. Alexandros got into this topic because of being an obsessive fan of Bret Weinstein...
...he was supported by a fervent ecosystem of covid contrarians and anti-vaxxers. He has no relevant expertise and has demonstrated time and time again he can't understand studies or statistical analysis and has a predetermined conclusion. Ignoring all that info isn't 'rational'.
The credulous response amongst the heterodox to Rogan's 'apology' is exactly why they fall for people like Bret Weinstein and never anticipate the conspiratorial & partisan trajectory of people like Rubin, Maajid, & Lindsay until it is transparently obvious.
It is an epidemic of credulity.
Meanwhile the people that consume his content critically and regularly deal with conspiracy theorists and anti-vaxxers recognise his apology routine & what it actually signifies.
The anti vaxx stuff feels like it comes in waves. First, you have the old school anti vaxxers who made use of the pandemic to increase their relevancy (eg RFK Jnr releasing a book on Fauci). Then you have a 2nd wave, which developed from people promoting alternative covid cures.
Here you have people like Pierre Kory, Robert Malone, & Peter McCullough. Most of whom were not public figures pre-pandemic. Obviously, Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin play an important role here, as do celebrity contrarian conspiracy theorists like Joe Rogan & Bret Weinstein.
This second wave tended to have greater access to large media platforms than the old school anti vaxxers. They were better able to sell the ‘I’m not anti vaccine just in favour of safe vaccines’ line. But over time they’ve become clearly anti-vaxx, including having more direct…