Thread by @mythanthrope

I believe leftists genuinely do not understand "right wing" thought, so I will explain what I, a "right wing" man, don't like about the goofy office tiktok video (or more accurately, what that video represents, and things brought up in the OP).

https://twitter.com/realityspammer/status/1911129169708146936

Having fun at work: I, and men like me, don't want to have "fun" at work. Best case scenario, I find enjoyment in the work itself. We tend to have fulfilling & interesting lives outside work. "Fun" time at work means you don't need us actually working and can send us home early.

Having a high female-male ratio: I am happily married. Even if I was not, I don't hold coworkers high on my list of marriage options. Even if I did, I'd rather you buy the office a round at a bar and let us leave work early; flirting time at work means you don't need us working.

HR generally: insofar as HR is just what you call a hiring/staff manager and his staff or similar, it's whatever. Insofar as it's often a cliquish, passive-aggressive, & ineffectual investigations unit with too much time and power on their hands, well, that answers itself.

Workplace culture: if you want us to bond, don't have us do it at work. If you're going to pay us to hang out with each other at work, pay for us to do it elsewhere and don't structure it like we're kids. I don't need or want icebreakers or trust building games.

The infamous tiktok video: in itself--harmless. If some women at some company want to goof off, whatever. As a symbol of inflated workplaces where half the people know they're not doing much work and the other half think the not-much they're doing is a lot--frustrating.

If you can pay 2 people half as much as a household needs to survive for doing 1 person's worth of work, just pay me twice as much and then my wife doesn't have to do any work she doesn't want to.

In short, men like me want work to be meaningful & efficient. If not meaningful, then at least efficient, so it's not a waste of time as well as effort. We don't view most work as a lifestyle or community to contribute to. We have families, churches, and fraternal groups.

Workplaces used to be places for male socialization: Yes, I did think about this, but it adds more layers. If the possible issues with offices as male cultures are societally intolerable, fine, but don't expect me to participate when you turn it into a female culture. It can be neutral, or else men/women can have their own spaces.

Anything else makes me think that the issue is resentment at being excluded from male culture, not at being excluded from office jobs.

Some more thoughts in qt, also there have been a ton of responses about many other things. I'm not going to keep adding onto this thread forever, as my goal was really just to give an initial, fairly simple explanation.

Other good points:

A lot of women hate this stuff too. I'm not surprised. One problem with HR is that it gives a small number of a certain kind of person (usually women) a ton of power with a lot of cultural weight on their side. Everyone is subject to them.

There are the more distant effects, like how women working in general has affected family lives. This is related to wages ofc. Also very historically novel social dynamics, like women being primary breadwinners. Regardless of your opinions, it's a fact that this is at odds with male and, often enough, female psychology.

In general, demonstrations of double standards set explicitly against men, not even based on political or social opinions. The Video has a girl mentioning her small breasts while grabbing them. I reckon a male employee grabbing his crotch and talking about his genitalia would not go over well at the office.

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Alright, I think that's it. Appreciate all contributions and questions. I have presented it all as neutrally and clearly as I care to. I hope to someday see a more fundamentally just, humane, and dignified system of labor in the US. God bless you all.