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May 12 15 tweets 3 min read Read on X
The CHN/US tariff cuts were much larger than most expected.

I didn’t predict the policy shift and didn’t try to. That reflects much more remaining disciplined to my edge than a reflection of skill.

Some thoughts on being comfortable being on the wrong side of a call.

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I’ve been doing this a long time and over time have learned that when it comes to federal government policy (in contrast to the Fed), I have much more edge in understanding the consequences of the policy vs what is priced in than predicting what policy will come.
I won’t belabor why other than to say that many of the macro linkages of policy isn’t necessarily obvious to many more narrowly focused traders, so it makes sense that quantifying policy linkages well could have edge over time over consensus and bring alpha with sample size.
In the recent period that view generated significant, negatively correlated alpha following liberation day. While I didn’t predict the extremity ahead of time, the impact of the shift wasn’t immediately reflected in market pricing. When it was, I closed my trade.
In this more recent case equities rallied despite little indication of a meaningful shift in policy.

You could have taken Bessent comments as possibly indicative, but other admin officials had other takes about keeping the tariffs in place. Even Trump said 80pct late last week.
Before the meeting, the policy in place was 145pct. The informed consensus was in the ballpark of 60. The consequences of an extended 60 was far from priced into equity markets in particular.

Short growth was the right EV trade if you had no edge in predicting a policy shift.
And so it makes sense that stocks vs bonds (market based implied growth) surged following the announcement.

If anything likely still underpricing the impact given the shift in the policy stance indicated by this and fiscal spending plans (my view now).
Those folks who predicted the shift present it today as obvious, but that is in the rear view mirror.

Remember Sat when everyone for a moment thought negotiations had broken down? Either path could have happened. Or some less significant shift in policy could have occurred.
There were a wide range of outcomes and the question is whether knowing what you knew then if you could have had edge in predicting it.

Those on the right side will say they are genius. Most were either lucky or structurally long (and got liberation day way wrong).
The trouble with calls like this is that they are so few and far between, it is very hard to know whether the person has repeated skill in making these calls.

Wait for the comments here, many will say they do through discretionary understanding. A skill that is hard to test.
My assumption is that I don’t have any skill and even if I did it’d come up so rarely (and be 60/40 when it does) that it’s not worth betting on or spending a lot of time investing in. Better to reduce risk around idiosyncratic events than make bets.
Here my biggest error was not cutting risk ahead of the meeting. In part it was because it seemed unlikely that an initial meeting would result in such a substantial changed.

Tough to gauge in an environment of so many meetings, possible paths, but a lesson.
But I still would have never bet on it going one way or the other and so wouldn’t have predicted the shift regardless.

And that is ok. If I had tried it would have just added noise to my process, positive or negative. And given no info on if it could be repeated.
Generating alpha over time requires having a repeatable edge, managing risk, and putting as many bets on the table as possible. Anything that distracts from that is just noise in your signal.
Being disciplined means sometimes being unlucky and being ok with it. This is one of those times.

The worst response is to chase it by changing your approach. Because future bets will almost certainly be worse quality.

Discipline means losing sometimes, but winning over time.

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May 13
The admin is shifting to stimulation mode before the US inflation problem has been resolved.

Most measures of inflation remain elevated before the juicing that's to come, giving the Fed little reason to cut further anytime soon.

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The US inflation problem has yet to be resolved. Core inflation has stabilized at elevated levels and the average print of the last few months have if anything ticked up. Image
The monthly CPI numbers have shown basically the same picture - with core CPI stabilizing in the high 2s in recent months. Image
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While all eyes are on tariff negotiations, House '26 budget plans solidified last week suggest a Republican commitment to blow out the deficit in coming years.

The Ways and Means bill would not only extend the TCJA, but add 1.5-2tln in deficits over the next decade.

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So far the new admin has done little to reign in spending despite all the discussion about DOGE in the first few months. Not all that surprising given congress extended '25 spending at current law. Image
And the rolling deficit remaining pretty stable at 2tln, largely in contrast to most folks who expected at least some immediate deficit reduction from the admin's efforts. Image
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May 9
It increasingly looks like the best case scenario on tariffs will be roughly the 60% China and 10% all others, amounting to a roughly 15% hike in overall tariff rates.

While there was a lot of hoopla about the UK deal, more than anything it solidified this path.

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The UK "deal" announced yesterday largely had the same terms as on Liberation Day and the "Pause" - the 10% across the board remained largely in place.

Several folks pointed to the easing of some sectoral tariffs, particularly autos (reduced to the base 10% for '24 production levels). But in reality it was a pretty UK specific outcome.

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The consensus believes the trade war will have no impact on growth or earnings ahead.

It's the type of setup that is skewed for disappointment.

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In the medium term markets are typically driven by how macro dynamics come in relative to expectations. While its a little more boring to focus on expectations, its important since those expectations are baked into the current prices of assets.
Equity analysts continue remain confident that any impacts from the admin's policies will not result in a drag on earnings ahead. Earnings growth expectations for '25 match that of '24 despite a much different policy environment. And are expected to accelerate to 13% in '26. Image
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May 5
The data gives cover to Powell's Fed to keep rates on hold despite the admin's pleas for more cuts, making it up to the next chair to deliver the cutting cycle so desperately desired.

And yet, the short rate markets are pricing in the exact opposite path right now.

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The unemployment rate remains the biggest factor in the Fed's decision to shift policy. The report last week showed continued stability. The UE rate has been at the same level since last summer's scare. Image
The focus on the UE rate in an environment of significantly slowing labor force growth will most likely keep on rises since its going to take <100k jobs to keep it steady given the restrictions in immigration now in place.

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The US labor market is already showing signs of weakening even before the full effects the admin's negative growth policies show up in the data.

The income-driven expansion is looking increasingly fragile.

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While today's jobs report will get a lot of attention, we already have a pretty broad based read on employment conditions. And in short, its looks like things are weakening.

ADP continues to soften since last summer: Image
April ISM manufacturing employment is weak. Image
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