After this year's Spring Conference, where Lib Dems voted on a motion backing self-ID the @Telegraph ran an article highlighting that Lib Dem members did not agree with self-ID. Lib Dem voters feel the same as shown in various YouGov polls. 🧵
However @LibDems sources told the journalist @DominicPenna that our characterisation of the motion at conference was wrong - that the Lib Dems had sensible policies and did not back self-ID. But yesterday in the Westminster Hall debate @cajardineMP stated we backed self-ID...
Here are a couple of clips of Christine, Lib Dem Women and Equalities spokesperson, discussing our gender recognition proposals and saying the Party is committed to self-ID. She wasn't the only Lib Dem MP supportive but - as she says - she is in charge of this area of policy
Here is Lib Dem MP @VikkiSlade72 calling for self-ID and @pippaheylings joining calls for self-ID, saying getting a gender dysphoria diagnosis is "dehumanising and daunting"
We made an earlier thread pointing out the disparity between the statement given to the @Telegraph and how our policy is sold as self-ID by trans activists - including the chair of @LGBTLD
So is our policy self-ID or not? Or only for certain audiences (certainly not the @Telegraph audience it seems but definitely for reddit and in Parliament). Like our inability to state a position on Cass, eventually this will all catch up with us. We can't obfuscate forever
Some astonishing exchanges on a question about women's sport in House of Lords yesterday. @SarahLudford spoke about women and girl's participation in sport, the fact many teen girls gave up sport and some women/girls excluded themselves due to males in their teams and sports.
However in response Bn Twycross said this was tangling two issues. Only if someone thinks female participation in sports is not relevant to the Supreme Court ruling could that be true. Of course if the Bn listened to the voices of women & girls on this issue she would know this
@fairplaywomen has collected dozens of stories about male inclusion leading to women and girls excluding from sport. Other reasons also exist of course for W&G giving up sport but this issue cannot be ignored. W&G have been badly let down by legislators fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-in…
It is now 13 months since the publication of the Cass Review. @LibDems have had 2 recent opportunities to state a formal position on Cass - the 1st at Spring conference with motion F9 and the 2nd in the recent puberty blocker debate – yet still we wait…🧵
Firstly, conference. Motion F9 was supposed to address @LGBTLD & @libvoice4women calls for a debate on Cass – both groups presented motions for Autumn conf. in 2024 but were told there would be a Spring spokesperson paper. However, F9 did not mention Cass at all
@libvoice4women submitted a lengthy amendment to F9 calling explicitly for the acceptance of the Cass Review (see below) but our amendment was rejected by the conference committee. Feedback included “It was, in effect its own motion” – well yes given the issues in F9 we saw 😉
Important bill coming through parliament right now #DataBill where MPs voted last night not to collect accurate data on sex. This goes against the recent #SullivanReview (which @UKLabour sat on for 6 months) and is at odds with the Supreme Court ruling on collecting data. 🧵
One @LibDems MP spoke against amendment NC21 which would have ensured accurate collection of data on sex - showing a fundamental understanding of how digital ID would work. Currently to prove age people hand over a drivers license with name, address and age on for example
Who wants e.g. a bar man having that info? But with digital ID you can just share the data you need to e.g. age. The same would be true of sex. There would be no 'mass outing' of trans people (unlike the suggestion by @VikkiSlade72). She also irresponsibly links with suicide.
The Supreme Court ruling offers a golden bridge to those who were caught up in gender identity politics. It is right to give politicians the opportunity to walk over that bridge, even though many will never admit they were wrong. Some @LibDems are doing that, some not 🧵
Here is @libdemdaisy yesterday. She states she respects the ruling but says that it was a narrow ruling. Those who listened to the judgment know how detailed and holistically the judges opined, from sports to spaces to sexual orientation.
Earlier in the day Daisy said single-sex spaces could be provided and those of the opposite sex (inc. trans) could be excluded if there’s a ‘proportionate goal’ but it depends on infrastructure. But we now know if something is female-only then trans women are excluded – no need to consider infrastructure.
Many people ask why the @LibDems have adopted their extreme positions on trans people, women's rights and childhood transition. As @cajardineMP made clear at #LDConf for many in the conference hall room this issue is personal. 🧵
Most obviously it's personal for the many trans people in the party. Well known trans activists include Helen Belcher, Sarah Brown, Zoe O' Connell and Charley Hasted. Hear some of their speeches here about gender medicine, removing GRC safeguards, removing spousal exit clause.
Three of these activists were part of Stonewall Trans Advisory group. Some of them were instrumental in persuading Stonewall to take up trans activism and add the T+ to LGB. zoeoconnell.co.uk/2014/08/transs…
‘Free to be who you are’ - proposed by @cajardineMP
- Discusses LD LGB history
- Recognises meeting LVW & some of our concerns; we don’t think they've been addressed
- Implies a boy who likes dresses, plays with girls may be trans
- Backs ‘gender affirming care’ amendment 1/
The mover of amendment 3 discusses the benefits of 'gender affirming care' they personally saw. There is no mention of the #CassReview which found the evidence base for these treatments in children with gender distress more generally was weak with emerging evidence of harm. 2/
@OllyGloverLD says that speakers against the motion were impugning the motives of trans people. Perhaps referring to @hollowood_zoe who spoke about women’s rights to single-sex spaces for dignity, privacy, safety & religious reasons? 🤔 @WRNThamesValley 3/