Since the people who are receiving grants to promote and educate the public about Far-UVC are too busy giving lap dances to the Far-UVC companies whose products they are supposed to be researching without bias and in general trying to "get their beak's wet", while those same companies openly commit fraud, we'll continue our humble efforts at STEM-Ed here.
Yesterday we talked about the issues with using CADR as a measurement for Far-UVC effectiveness. Another metric we can look at is the fixture's radiant power output. The Nukit Lantern has a radiant power output of 30.5mW (cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552…)
That means the entirety of all the power coming out of the fixture, in every direction, is 30.5 mW.
A device called a goniophotometer is used to measure the light from every angle, and that gives us a picture of the three-dimensional power output- which can be shown on a polar plot.
A lot of people tend to confuse this for Irradiance at Nadir- which measures power at just one point, not total power output. Radiant Power Output tells us how many watts are being pumped into the air so is a much more number.
Nadir is important when we are calculating safe eye and skin limits. An emitter manufactuer who is only giving you a single Irradiance at Nadir number is telling you nothing about the effectiveness of the product.
Here we can see that at 75cm away, the Nukit Lantern emits 4.6µW/cm² of 222nm light(µW is pronounced microwatts) of 222nm light. So 4.6 microwatts of Far-UVC light, are hitting each square centimeter (cm²), at 75cm distance. Now that gives us power- but exposure risk is measured by power and time- joules in this case.
The ACGIH limit for eye exposure is 160.7mJ/cm². 4.6µW/cm² takes 9.7 hours to reach that limit. That means you are safe, looking at the Lantern, for about 9.7 hours if you are 75cm away. If you are 100cm away that gives you 17.17 hours. But at 50 cm- tabletop level, you only get 4.34 hours.
That might be ok-ish but one Lantern is not enough to have an effect outside a small bathroom, and two Lanterns on a tabletop can halve your exposure time. If you aren't very careful with minimum distance, they could quickly exceed safe eye limits if they were on your desk at work, or even a long dinner or a few drinks with friends.
That's why we didn't make the Lantern emitter a portable battery powered device and instead made it for fixed installs and ask it be mounted high up. If you are sitting next to it and rolling the dice with precise distances, probably sooner or later you are going to get photokeratitis. It won't kill you, but it's like getting sand in your eye for a few days- not fun.
Getting back to radiant power- total joules into the air. This is a very useful starting number to determine general effectiveness.
The now-discontinued Torch kit emitted 96mW and could reduce the pathogen load by 73.66% in an 30m3 chamber: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552…
Two Lanterns offering a total of 60mW in the same 30m3 chamber reduce the pathogen load 74.66%: cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552…
This starts to give you a very rough idea how many mW of output are going to be useful- the 4.8mW and 8.8mW output units that some companies have been selling are doing a whole lot of nothing.
But, some of you might ask, how come the Torch kit emitted 96mW and could reduce the pathogen load by 73.66% and two Lanterns at a total of just 60mW in the same 30m3 chamber reduced the pathogen load by almost the same amount- 74.66%? One is pumping a lot more power into the air?
Well, total power output is very important- but it turns out it's not everything. Emitter position, beam spread, and angle also play important roles.
Optimizing those means getting more with less, which at Nukit is the name of the game because we don't want to sell Far-UVC that no one can afford. We need to get every bit of effectiveness out of every joule we can. We don't want to waste any of it.
One example of this, is when designing the ceiling-mounted Nukit Flare, we had four emitters set at angles to fully illuminate a room with as wide a beam as possible.
Most companies leave that angle up to the designers to eyeball, but we were able to run simulations in software, and squeeze out a few more percentage points of effectiveness from the fixture by optimizing just that angle.
You can see from the models below how optimized angles improve coverage, and so inactivation. Most companies just slap a USHIO or off-the-shelf excimer bulb in an enclosure and call it a day- but unoptimized designs mean higher cost for the same effect.
In this case, using an optimized beam angle costs nothing extra in tooling, finding the best angle is a one-time expense- but the benefits are recurring because every single user of that fixture is getting up to 7% more out of it, every hour it is used for the lifetime of the fixture. These little improvements quickly add up.
Takeaways- a Far-UVC product without a spectral analysis could be anything, there's no way to know if it's safe or will do anything at all. We know manufacturers lie, they've been caught at it, there are no consequences so why wouldn't they?
A photometric assay from Lightlab International is $1000 and provides a ton of data, if a company refuses to provide one for download on their product page, there is a reason.
Irradiance at Nadir will only very, very roughly tell you the power of a lamp and is mostly useful for safety calculations.
Radiant Power Output is the first metric you want to look at in terms of overall effectiveness. Keep in mind that broader coverage- either through using more emitters, wider beams or ceiling placement- will often beat sheer power.
We'll cover how to determine if an emitter is safely filtered another day.
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So you knew the Sterilray Saber was unsafe at under three meters, you knew they didn't disclose this, and their marketing material shows it being used at an unsafe distance, but you decided to say nothing to the public because you "got to know them"? WTF?
How about it, Sterilray Saber owners, would it have been nice to know that you and your family were supposed to stay 3 meters away?
Sorry- too bad OSLUV "got to know them" and it would have been super rude to their new friends to mention the whole, well-documented cancer risk thing.
Sterilray was tested, and it definitively caused damage to human skin:
The effect of 222-nm UVC phototesting on healthy volunteer skin: a pilot study sci-hub.ru/10.1111/phpp.1…
That this damage was due to Sterilray being unfiltered was confirmed by Isla Rose Mary Barnard, Ewan Eadie, and Kenneth Wood:
OSLUV tested it and by their own admission, verified it was unsafe at the distance people were using it at AND DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING because they "got to know" the owners.
So basically, you only call out the supposed deficiencies of companies whose owners you don't like with products that compete directly with your colleagues?
It's not as if it's part of OSLUV's mandate as a Far-UVC non-profit to prioritize public safety, especially when they can pivot to selling what they are supposed to be impartially evaluating and educating the public about.
Nah, I'm sure when @VitalikButerin funded all that testing, what he had in mind is for you to keep it to yourselves until you could profit off it and stay silent on stuff that was a risk to public health and could potentially discredit Far-UVC if it continued. But hey, it worked right? So who can blame you?
Actually giving a shit about public health and trying to get an honest product into the hands of people that could not otherwise afford it is for fools- Nukit is proof it that. We're hated for it.
You win, this is what people want and will reward and celebrate. Give it a month, and you'll be written up in tech-media as the "revolutionary startup" that was the "first to lower the cost of Far-UVC".
"wHy dON'T pEOPle TRusT sICenTIsts anD EnginEErs?"
If you are an engineer and researcher, and you see a company advertising a device YOU KNOW TO BE UNSAFE UNDER THREE METERS WITH A CHILD STARING INTO IT AND SAY NOTHING- you are a POS.
They "got to know them" so decided not to say anything to the public about the significant danger our tests measured.
And here we go. I guess the reason @VitalikButerin funded @TheOSLUVProject is so they could conceal Far-UVC test results for years until they could establish their own company, take IP we shared with them, intended to be Open-Sourced, deny credit to the creater, pass it off to their colleague's closed-source product, and then cite test results that magically only occurred "in-house".
I think this is worth the risk of starting up my old channel again, just to walk everyone through the emails step by step so they can see how a couple of grifters ripped off a crypto billionaire and lied their way into a Far-UVC startup under the claim they were a "non-profit Far-UVC startup".
Stay tuned for all the tea folks!
Hey @TheOSLUVProject, tell everyone how you refused to release test results of KNOWN dangerous products that you KNEW were harming the public when we BEGGED you to speak up- because you wanted to sit on those results until you could financially benefit from releasing them.
How many people will end up with lesions or worse in a few years from Sterilray's cancer rods, because you wanted to sit on that for YEARS so you could profit?
@TheOSLUVProject Tell everyone how @TheOSLUVProject represented @vivian_belenky as a member of a "Open Source Non-Profit", not "the founder of a direct competitor" to give her the opportunity to extract information about our production methods and upcoming products from me?
This widely shared document offers the following formula for HOCL:
1 tsp vinegar
⅛ tsp table salt
1 liter of tap / filtered water /distilled water.
When you produce HOCL with electricity, salt, and water, NaOCl (sodium hypochlorite, household bleach) is also produced.
The balance between hypochlorous acid (HOCl-😊) and sodium hypochlorite (NaOCl-☹️) depends strongly on pH. The more alkaline the solution, the more NaOCl, and the less HOCL is generated.
(For those who want to check for themselves- the equilibrium formula for HOCl (hypochlorous acid) and NaOCl (sodium hypochlorite) in water is: OCl- (aq) + H2O (l) ⇌ HOCl (aq) + OH- (aq); where OCl- is the hypochlorite ion from NaOCl, and the equilibrium represents the hydrolysis reaction where the hypochlorite ion can accept a hydrogen ion from water to form HOCl and hydroxide ions.)
If we have typical tap water with a pH of 7.5 I can follow the above instructions, add our 1 tsp of vinegar, and it will bring it to pH 7.2–7.4.
In this mixture, at pH 7.2–7.4, the resulting solution will consist of approximately:
The same document suggests the following uses for this solution:
Inhalation via aerosol to lower pathogen load in the lungs.
Nasal rinse/ irrigation/ spray to reduce allergens / pathogens.
Open wound care.
Scar management.
Acne treatment.
Eye care.
Tumor Suppression.
Treating inflammatory skin issues (Psoriasis, Eczema, Acne, Rosacea, etc).
Mouthwash.
Sterilization of all types of toys (children’s, pet’s & / or sex toys).
A solution that is 30-85% Sodium Hypochlorite (NaOCl, household bleach), is not appropriate for internal use, or for use on things that will be used internally.
Sodium Hypochlorite (again, household bleach) should not go in your eyes, mouth, or other orifices.
If you have access to pure HOCL, diluted appropriately, it can be used internally, cautiously, in a number of applications.
I was working on a low-cost digital HOCL meter which would make it easier to verify the purity of home brew preparations but set it aside to work on Far-UVC.
Making inhaling or not inhaling bleach a matter of a laypersons ability to accurately read the slight changes in the hue of a pH test strip is somethings I'm not comfortable with- but if others are, go right ahead.
I have spoken highly of your work in the past and I'd really rather not question it in front of people we both know want to find fault in it. Email or DM would be best.
I wish I knew specifically what I did to convince you I was somehow against you when we need more people doing what you do.
So the problem we have with inhaled HOCL is that while pure inhaled HOCL seems reasonably safe and effective based on several studies, we can’t really rely on people to obtain pure HOCL of the pharmaceutical grade used in the various studies because it’s not all that easy to come by. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC87…. pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC91…(STX%3B%20APR,and%20seasonal%20coronavirus. europepmc.org/article/ppr/pp….
This is why when I suggested the use of cosmetic nebulizers to administer inhaled HOCL, I said to use NaDCC as it makes pure HOCL.
After that, I thought better of it and walked even that back- because while NaDCC is fine once it’s been dissolved in water to make HOCL, on its own it is a lung irritant and there’s just no way of knowing what people will do with it (snort the powder?) and a lot of people were using home brew. So, I decided it best to err on the side of caution and advise against it.
Unfortunately, by then, the idea had already gained traction, and people not conversant with the potential technical problems were promoting it to their followers😣
Once again folks, blue accent lighting is not GUV.
Breathless misinformation about what specific mitigations are in place in any given location isn't helpful when we are trying to educate the public.
This is the amount of visible light you get from a powerful 60w KrCl excimer lamp placed against a wall.
Bare bulb GUV isn't being used in occupied rooms. That leaves only upper-room GUV and variant, eggcrate ceiling GUV. Upper-room GUV requires very distinctive louvered fixtures that look like this:
To clarify a few things- no real-world Far-UVC installation has ever been found to exceed NIOSH or OSHA ozone limits. Those limits have been in place for decades, and if they are unsafe- that is not a Far-UVC issue. That is an issue that will require a massive overhaul of the industry to accommodate new standards- starting with basically a complete ban on photocopiers and laser printers.
Next, respiratory infections are the fourth leading cause of death in the world- ozone, isn’t.
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There are few interventions without downsides, not vaccines, not antivirals. In the hundred-year history of GUV, the same number of people have been permanently harmed by GUV as have been by masks- exactly none. There is no real-world evidence to date that GUV causes any long-term harm.
There are countless industries that rely on GUV, and workers spend decades working around it- there is no “violet lung” that corresponds to what we see workers in other professions who chronically inhale dangerous compounds. Even kitchen workers- we now see from the lung damage they suffer that we need to be more careful in our homes. There are no corresponding respiratory issues with workers who spend decades around GUV.
That does not mean there is no need for caution- just that there is little indication of imminent danger from real-world data that hasn’t been ginned up in a laboratory to achieve a predetermined outcome.
Is more research needed? Absolutely, but jumping to discredit one of the most powerful tools we have based on studies that share the same questionable methodologies that anti-mask and anti-filtration studies have used is irresponsible.
We all know there are huge financial incentives to discredit costly infrastructure-based mitigations. When studies with dubious methodologies emerge declaring IAQ measures that would cost companies and landlords thousands of dollars per room conveniently come under attack- some skepticism is in order.
*For the record, I donated the Far-UVC lamps and ozone meters for the Pang et al. study but sell none of the products supplied.who.int/news/item/09-1…
>The studies above suggest that Far-UVC devices produce ozone at a rate that exceeds safe levels even in a lab
The “lab” in question is a hermetically sealed chamber- a giant plastic bag:
A ∼21 m3 Teflon reaction chamber (approximately 3 × 3 × 2 m, L × W × H) is constructed of 50-μm-thick FEP Teflon film
So, if you live in a plastic bag, Far-UVC is not for you.
Next the "office":
..the windows, gaps around utility penetrations, and supply/return vents were sealed with plastic sheeting or tape..
Is your office sealed with plastic sheeting and tape? So, how is this a realistic experiment and not one configured to achieve a predetermined result? Why have no similar measurements been taken at any of the countless places where Far-UVC is installed in the real world?
Next, secondary compounds:
..and via introduction of various components to simulate a realistic indoor environment..
This is the key sentence that should bother people- because they take really important research, and then simply rigged the test to get the result they wanted.
We know that many common cleaning compounds break down into harmful secondary compounds on exposure to UV. They introduced similar compounds, knowing they would break down into harmful secondary compounds, and they could say, “Ah ha! Far-UVC bad!”.
A lie by omission is still a lie- what they don't tell you is that "Goldilocks" mix of precursor compounds and regular old sunlight has the same effect-
Photolysis-Driven Indoor Air Chemistry Following Cleaning of Hospital Wards:
Of course, they also don’t tell you that the problem is addressed by simply using low VOC materials and cleaning compounds- as industry is moving towards, because the problem isn’t specific to Far-UVC. They are just bad news in general, and Far-UVC has nothing to do with that.
A modeling study of the impact of photolysis on indoor air quality
So if you put *any* UV source, including sunlight, in a room with compounds known to emit VOCs in response to UV, you have a problem. Even with no light and some of those same chemicals, you get VOCs.
But they really, really want you to believe that Far-UVC light is the problem that needs to be addressed not the VOC-releasing compounds? Why? Oh, right, because it's a massive potential expenditure that certain parties desperately want to avoid.
Unsurprisingly, the same business interests that have been pushing "personal measures" like handwashing so they aren't held liable for failing to pay for filtration and ventilation upgrades also don't want to pay for Far-UVC- and desperately need everyone to know how bad this really expensive intervention is. So, we get well-timed anti-GUV studies like this one to go with the recent anti-filtration studies designed to achieve the same objectives.
“most importantly, GUV222 disinfection alone is not a safe substitute for ventilation as a means to control levels of indoor airborne pathogens, as it can lead to the buildup of indoor ozone and other pollutants to dangerous levels.”
This is absolutely correct. One of the biggest concerns anyone should have is as GUV222 prices drop, it becomes easy to “cheat” to meet new ACH standards without costly ventilation upgrades. Landlords can divide a space with sheetrock and slap a Far-UVC fixture up rather than run new HVAC duct.
It is absolutely essential to determine realistic mechanical ventilation requirements for all fixed GUV installations. It is also essential that filtration to address particulates be part of every installation. Spreading FUD for clout about Far-UVC being more dangerous than a global pandemic isn’t that, isn't productive, and isn’t supported by credible evidence.
If NIOSH and OSHA Ozone limits need to be adjusted, that has nothing to do with Far-UVC. None of these researchers wants to say what this premise would actually mean- that NIOSH/OSHA ozone limits are too high because the very same corporate interests that are egging on "this expensive, highly effective mitigation is bad actually" shtick would absolutely crush any attempt to change NIOSH/OSHA standards because that would cost them even more than Far-UVC.
So now, these folks are awkwardly dancing around the issue saying "Erm, sub-threshold limit levels of indoor ozone are bad but only when that ozone is produced by Far-UVC for uhm...reasons" so their laser printer and photocopier-owning, corporate overlords don't come around with a gang of well-paid PhDs with 100 years of published papers on ozone wrapped around steel pipes and smack them so hard they'll travel back in time and are left trying to make ozone with a Parthian battery.
Basically, the whole current "Far-UVC Bad" argument is incredibly bad faith- which is a shame, because ventilation *is* essential for safe infrastructure-based GUV installation, and defining how much ventilation is appropriate is not something that should be highjacked by people interested in discrediting one of the few remaining tools we have, just like they have all the rest.
If any of this were in good faith, the studies would be "what is the minimum recommended ACH per joule of Far-UVC?" or campaigning NIOSH-OSHA to change their ozone TLV- which would be the real problem, but the actual issue is IAQ costs and business interests that don't want to pay for expensive IAQ upgrades so have consistently fought to discredit them one by one.
People in the COVID-Aware community who favor one IAQ measure over another serve as useful idiots and are keen to help discredit the other “teams” mitigation- as happened when vaccines and masks were foolishly pitted against each other by equally useful idiots.
Team Filtration trying to discredit Team GUV or vice-versa are both just doing Team No-Mitigations-For-Anyone work for them and like masks versus vaccines- both sets of fools will be harmed in the end and left with less of each thanks to the work they did against each other.
In this case, the potential downsides of GUV are far, far outweighed by the lives saved and long-term health consequences of the current wave of respiratory infections sweeping the planet.
It's a real shame they are doing this because it could easily cost as many lives as the misinformation about masks and vaccines has. It's like we've learned nothing from previous attempts to discredit our best tools.