Numerous hadiths, including sahih ones, predict the conquest of Constantinople just before the Hour.
But the actual conquest of the city took place in 1453... and the end of the world did not transpire.
Does this pose a significant challenge to Islamic traditionalism? 1/
Traditionalists express wonder at the accuracy of such prophecies, including this particular one--which, in their minds, proves the Prophet's nabuwwa. Yet, they simply ignore or reinterpret the part about its timing:
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From a historical-critical perspective, such reinterpretations (a second conquest) are hardly convincing, since the hadiths were spread in a time in which Constantinople held a special place as the capital city of the Roman Empire, considered the greatest empire of history. 3/
This fact is essential to the hadiths in their original historical-literary context. Imagine a prophecy in early Roman times that Rome would conquer Carthage. Clearly it would be about the great empire of classical antiquity, not the current site, a small insignificant suburb.4/
A traditionalist must at least admit then that, at the time that these hadiths were spread and compiled, everyone would have interpreted it to mean the conquest of the (eastern) Roman capital. 5/
Admittedly, however, apocalyptic prophecies are often, by their very nature, amenable to reinterpretation, reframing, and re-deployment in new contexts. Thus, they retain their significance generation after generation, often reemerging as imminent predictions. 6/
Quranists & many Islamic modernists reject or diminish Hadith as a scriptural source, thereby bypassing this problem. Yet, they too need to deal with the problem that the Quran itself includes imminent eschatological language: e.g., "The Hour has drawn nigh" (Q 54:1). 7/
In a soon-to-be-released podcast with @GabrielSaidR, I discuss my recently published ICMR article & my forthcoming Der Islam piece, in which I discuss the Quran's imminent eschatological expectation, arguing that a partial eschatological reconfiguration takes place in Medina. 8/
Thus, eschatological imminence fades but does not disappear in Medina. My unique contribution is to suggest that a further, full eschatological reconfiguration takes place in the "Second Meccan" corpus of the Quran, as seen in Q 48 (al-fath) & 110 (al-nasr). 9/
I conclude: "Mecca’s rejection of pagan ritual and its collective turn to the proper worship of God (dīn allāh) constitute a 'manifest victory' (fatḥ mubīn), resulting in the lifting of the imminent eschatological threat and the
re-sanctification of the Mother of Cities." 10/
Thus, although the imminent forecast of the Hour may have posed a problem in the lifetime of the Prophet Muhammad himself, a natural solution arose out of the Quran's own theological matrix, inherent to the very logic of its imminent eschatological discourse. /fin
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I specifically issued a very measured response, which you unfortunately then twisted to create a strawman. I never made a prescriptive statement that allowed or disallowed polygyny for Christians. I merely pointed to the interpretive burden. 1/
In point of fact, an interpretative burden also exists in the case of pork. Historically, Christian groups existed who believed that pork continued to be forbidden, pointing to texts such as Matt 5:17–19 & Isa 66:17, rejecting or reinterpreting verses that suggest otherwise. 2/
Given that the NT reflects diverse viewpoints--including with regard to adherence to the Law--it is unsurprising that an interpretive burden exists. Such a mild statement should hardly be offensive. 3/
Pre-1947: Gaza, of course, was always a part of the Zionist conception of Eretz Israel. Partition plans were tactically accepted, with plans for the reclamation of said territory in the near future. 2/
Chaim Weizmann, who would go on to become Israel's first president, said in 1937:
“We shall expand in the whole of the country in the course of time… This [partition] is only an arrangement for the next 25 to 30 years.” (Alexander Downes, Targeting Civilians in War, 187) 3/
Every Single Prime Minister & Administration in Israeli History Has Opposed the Two State Solution. A thread. 🧵
A key argument of mine during my debate with @TheOmniLiberal was that the Israel has always ideologically opposed the existence of a sovereign Palestinian state, 1/
...which is an essential component of the "two-state solution." What the Israeli leadership means by "two-state solution" is the creation of an autonomous but non-sovereign "entity" for Palestinians, reminiscent of Native American reservations or South African Bantustans... 2/
The autonomy solution would solve the "demographic problem" of too many Palestinian bodies, while retaining Israeli sovereignty & strategic control over the land. It would also offload the costs & responsibility of occupation onto a collaborating Palestinian force (the PA). 3/
Actually, the Palestinians have already long ceded their claim to 78% of that house, & only want the guest room & closet, making up 22% of the house. But they are unreasonable for even that. @TheOmniLiberal thinks they should be ready to share the guest room too. 1/
Also, in this analogy, the guy who seized the house should also be allowed to enter in your guest room in the middle of night whenever he wants & even lock your doors from the outside. 2/
Oh, I forgot: The guest room has a nice big screen TV so he would like sole use of that too. But why are you being so unreasonable? You get like 90% of the guest room & closet! 3/
Alright, I did the vain thing of watching back the entire debate at 2x speed -- & given that both @TheOmniLiberal & I already speak at 2x speed baseline -- it was basically 4x. Anyhoo, really pleased how that debate went. Alh. 1/
I consider Destiny a professional bullsh**ter, & say that with almost a degree of respect, given how truly good he is. He is very quick on his feet. Thus, I did not underestimate him as "just a streamer." 2/
Of course, I never underestimate debate opponents, as that is a surefire way of losing. I actually knew that this could be the one debate where I could potentially lose, due to how good he is at diversion & obfuscating tactics. However, I did a good job of preventing all that. 3/