"I honestly think the blood on the sheets and the significance of the blood on white is due to her bleeding when he... At 11 potentially... White is literally her purity... The blindfold could also be due to the consequences and intent of his actions. I've gone further down the rabbit hole than I am currently at but I've seen claimed messages where she was also groomed by another adult who allegedly passed away. In the claimed messages admitting to intercourse with both she stated she only bled with David... A child... By two men. (Yep, Gus)
"You said you just wanted to be friends"-- I think this is an admission that when her coerced her to run away with him the first time it was as "friends"...
"I just left a party with a girl who said she doesn't want me"--Again a potential reference to the first time he coerced her to run away... Where he... at 11 potentially.
His other lyrics could also symbolize pre-meditated murder from the start, like a psychotic game almost.
Many others were often coercive, direct appeals and harassment against her.
In the one song he even said he couldn't wait 7 years... 11...
When he mentioned the school bells he was directly referencing when he met her teacher and was in her school...
Many lyrics talk about taking her back and having to return her after the first run away.
He almost always used look-a-like models in all of his videos...
In Notes from a wrist he coercively talks about his or her self-harm, admits that it's all his fault and he'll make it worse, he also begs her to run away again...
She's literally is in one of his cover image for the track "birthday suicide" teased on discord on her 13th birthday and sings in a manner from her perspective...
It's all so disturbing."
This might be the worst interpretation I have had so far...
It's literally blood on white roses in a lot of his videos... Blood... Flowers... Purposefully Removing Petals (act of literal deflowerment)... He's literally glorifying deflowering her in all his music...
When he talked about killing her... It was potentially a double meaning for killing her purity or self prior to the assault.
He's both a depraved pedophile and a potential psychopathic child killer.
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Further continuation into d4vd's server:
Celeste sends David heart in chat on her 12th birthday, 09/07/2022.
David and Celeste are seen subtly going offline together after Celeste pesters him slightly, 10/23/2022.
Her nickname early on in the server/on main is "Kato". Apparently the user "arar" did d4ds genius and there were issues over server promotion early on due to label management -"Moji" Server Manager/Creator.
It's been a lot of heavy stuff lately, so I decided to do something a bit more fun and decided to use a mix of Grok3 and Grok4 to simulate a peer review of my account and was pleasantly pleased and enjoyed by the outcome.
Continuation of my investigation of d4vd's early discord server interactions, and it seems that Celeste (Deleted_User) was an active and founding member from the start, the most active even. The chats indicate that it was a continuation of a previous group chat or server through the manner of interactions centered around the release of Romantic Homicide. In chats, Celeste acknowledged him, becoming certified during this timeframe, and gloated about how she was happy being followed by him before he became certified. D4vd treated the early interactions as an official server with minimal interactions. However, Celeste and another active founding user were seen active in calls together. "90k" or "Geo". She also had active and friendly interactions with the discord manager "Moji" and was seen complaining about perms and server controls, which indicates pre-established connection and relations.
She also interacted with "engleezy" around the time of his collab with d4vd in the server and openly interacted in antagonistic manners that indicate connection once more.
So, I got into the D4vd discord server, and here is some initial information I can clarify. The general chat began on September 6th, 2022. The following day, September 7th, 2022, Celeste is in the server, and this is her account. It was confirmed by her birthday interaction.
The server was created on August 19, 2022, by the manager "moji." This is Celeste's secondary account, which you might note isn't deleted, unlike the primary one... Interesting... And d4vd's primary account.
So this screenshot that is circulating is just after her joining the server on her new account, with d4vd clarifying that she was in the server. D4vd also has a secondary discord account as well as detailed in chats, right before the body was discovered here.
I was disgusted when I heard about Trump deporting people to 3rd countries they didn't belong to or from. (~125K to unrelated nations: e.g., South Sudan, Rwanda and deporting Russians including deserters to Egypt who were then rebounded to Russia. Violating non-refoulement; "disappearances", and purposefully sending them into areas in or involved in conflict zones.) I do think that using a foreign country (El Salvador) to house untried prisoners is extremely fucked, even once tried for a crime it should only be when they are native to that country like El Salvador. (500+ deportees, 60%+ untried. No due process; torture risks.) I think due process and birth right citizenship are inarguable. (AEA expedites; TPS cuts. Erodes 5th/14th Amendments and a child can also decide to go with the parent and return on their own as a U.S. citizen once of age if willing or wanting.) To me, Naturalization is Settlement, not immigration. I see all denaturalization calls against citizens and politicians unless due to fraudulent actions in the naturalization process as repulsive. (DOJ memo: 10 categories, political targets signifying weaponization and unequal citizenship.)
Grok recommended you as the most likely to be engaged on this perspective, any thoughts?
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The claim that "American Slavery" is the "worst" or "most inhumane" form of slavery is a common assertion, often rooted in its proximity to modern Western history and its enduring social consequences. However, a rigorous comparison of Aztec slavery (c. 1300–1521 CE), the Arab Slave Trade (7th–20th centuries), Transatlantic slavery (15th–19th centuries), Spanish colonial forced labor (c. 1521–1821), and Southern chattel slavery (post-1787 U.S.) reveals that Aztec slavery, followed by the Arab Slave Trade, Transatlantic slavery, and Southern slavery, were more inhumane in roughly that order, with Spanish colonial labor closely rivaling the Arab trade. This hierarchy is based on the brutality, moral depravity, scale, duration, and demographic impacts of each system, with Aztec slavery’s theological genocide and mass sacrifices standing out as uniquely horrific. Southern slavery, while undeniably cruel, allowed for family-driven population growth, enabling post-Emancipation resilience, which distinguishes it from the others’ catastrophic demographic losses. This analysis uses objective metrics—duration, scale, brutality index (0–10), moral weight (0–10), demographic impact, and estimated total deaths—to evaluate each system’s inhumanity.
Aztec Slavery (c. 1300–1521 CE)
Duration: Approximately 2.2 centuries, spanning the pre-coalition period (~1300–1428) of Tenochtitlan, Texcoco, and Tlacopan, and the Triple Alliance period (1428–1521), which formalized the Aztec Empire.
Scale: An estimated 0.2–1 million individuals were enslaved. Pre-coalition (~1300–1428), the three city-states enslaved ~35,000–170,000 (Tenochtitlan: ~10,000–50,000; Texcoco: ~20,000–100,000; Tlacopan: ~5,000–20,000). Post-1428, the Triple Alliance enslaved ~0.1–0.5 million, including war captives, debt/crime slaves, and tribute slaves from subjugated groups like Zapotecs and Mixtecs, within a Mesoamerican population of ~5–25 million.
Brutality Index (10/10): Aztec slavery was unparalleled in its brutality. The Triple Alliance intensified practices like heart extraction, decapitation, and cannibalism in human sacrifices, often preceded by psychological terror (e.g., captives as ixiptla-divine embodiments for sacrifice). Raids, such as the Flower Wars or attacks on Cholula, involved massacres that wiped out communities. Pre-coalition practices were less intense (~8/10) due to smaller scale but included similar rituals.
Moral Weight (10/10): The theological justification for self-enslavement (citizens via debt, crime, or famine, e.g., 1450s) and genocidal raids against rivals (e.g., Huastecs) reflects extreme moral depravity. The cultural normalization of mass murder as a divine necessity to sustain the cosmos (e.g., appeasing Huitzilopochtli) sets Aztec slavery apart as uniquely evil.
Demographic Impact: Entire communities were erased through sacrifices and massacres, with no recovery for victims. The Aztec Empire’s tributary system strained Mesoamerica’s population, targeting rival groups for extinction.
Estimated Total Deaths: ~0.825–3.5 million. Pre-coalition (1300–1428): ~125,000–500,000 (Tenochtitlan: 50,000–200,000, ~500–2,000/year; Texcoco: 50,000–200,000, ~400–1,600/year; Tlacopan: 25,000–100,000, ~200–800/year; sacrifices and minor massacres/labor). Triple Alliance (1428–1521): ~0.7–3 million (sacrifices ~0.2–2 million, ~20,000/year, e.g., 1487 Templo Mayor 4,000–84,400; massacres/labor ~0.5–1 million, ~5,000–10,000/year).
Why It Ranks Highest: Aztec slavery’s concentrated brutality, driven by a theological imperative to sacrifice citizens and captives, combined with genocidal raids, makes it the most inhumane. Its per capita devastation (~0.825–3.5 million deaths in a 5–25 million population) is unmatched, even by systems with higher raw tolls.
Spanish Colonial Forced Labor (Mesoamerica, c. 1521–1821)
Duration: ~3 centuries.
Scale: ~5–10 million, primarily indigenous with some Africans, through encomienda and repartimiento systems, which adapted Aztec tribute and slavery structures.
Brutality Index (9/10): Harsh labor conditions (e.g., 16-hour shifts in silver mines), physical punishments, and disease amplification (smallpox, ~90% mortality in some regions) caused immense suffering. While lacking Aztec-style mass sacrifices, the scale of exploitation was vast.
Moral Weight (9/10): The Spanish exploited Aztec tribute systems under a Christian guise, using forced baptisms and labor to extract wealth, revealing profound hypocrisy. This adaptation of indigenous practices for colonial gain adds to its moral depravity.
Demographic Impact: Indigenous populations collapsed from ~25 million (1519) to ~1 million (1600), driven by disease, overwork, and violence. Partial recovery occurred through mestizo populations.
Estimated Total Deaths: ~10–20 million (1–4 million direct from labor/violence, the rest disease-related).
Why It Ranks High: The sheer scale of deaths, amplified by disease and exploitation of Aztec systems, makes Spanish colonial labor catastrophic. Its moral weight is slightly below Aztec due to less intentional genocidal intent but remains high for its hypocritical Christian framework.