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This study took us years and years, and it's finally out! 🥳 Here's years of our life in 60 seconds. 🚨 @BPSOfficial @AlexEngPsych @liuqing_wei @Tongrongtianbpspsychub.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bj…
Here's the conclusion first: Kids in China aren't farming much these days (shocker!), but they're still learning rice-wheat ways of thinking.
We tested about 1,400 students’ thought style as they moved to college across China. Image
We tested them right when they arrived at college (~August) and at the end of their first semester (~January). Then we tested them again three years later.
We gave them a categorization task that’s been used a ton to measure cultural differences. You choose two of three objects to categorize together. Image
People in individualistic, WEIRD cultures tend to choose the abstract, categorical pairings. People in collectivistic, non-WEIRD cultures tend to choose the relational pairings. Image
This setup is exciting (to me!) because we can test how people's thought style changes in different environments. For example, do people who move from small town to big cities like Beijing and Shanghai think more like WEIRD Westerners? @JoHenrich @StevenHeine4 Left: High school students from my time teaching high school in Guangzhou, China, helping out on a rice farm as a part of a school program. Right: Modern Shanghai.
That’s what most people think! We asked 188 psychology students and professors to guess what we’d find, and they predicted that people moving to big cities would think a LOT less relationally (-28%). We measured change in city size using China's city tier system, which classifies big cities like Beijing and Shanghai as first-tier cities, medium cities like Nanjing and Tianjin as second tier, and smaller cities and rural areas as third tier. The biggest shift is moving from third tier to first tier.
But here’s what actually happened to people who moved to big cities. Nothing! Image
OK, maybe it’s economic development that matters more? Our guessers predicted strong effects for moving to wealthier areas. Image
But again, the data showed nothing! If anything, there was a slight trend in the *opposite* direction. Students moving to wealthier areas tended to think more holistically over time than other students. Image
Why would that be? Well, China’s rice-farming regions are a little wealthier on average than wheat-farming areas... Image
Rice farming required more labor and coordination than wheat, so China’s rice areas tend to be a little more interdependent and think more holistically. journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.117…Image
So maybe that odd wealth trend is because of rice farming?
Bingo! 🎯 What DID explain the changes in people’s thought style was whether they moved to a historically rice-farming area (like Shanghai) or wheat-farming area (like Beijing). Image
Oh, and the psychologists did not guess this on average. I guess people don’t believe my theory! 😅 Image
The changes continued through year 3. But the change came fast in the beginning and slowed down over time. Image
Here’s why this data fascinates me. Young people in China are still learning cultural legacies rooted in ancient farming! That’s despite the fact Chinese society is moving away from farming. Image
Instead, cultures lives on in other ways. Maybe it's how relationships are structured, how teachers teach, or simply fitting in with other people. For example, newcomers’ thought style became more correlated with locals’ over time. Image
Bottom line: Rice-wheat differences are alive and well among young people moving around China. The history of rice farming explained more of how people's thought style changed than urbanization. Image
The original full text is available without a paywall at @SSRN: papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf…Image
@SSRN Much credit should go to my many co-authors. 👏 Testing over 1,000 people longitudinally over three years was a LOT of work! 🫩 @AlexEngPsych @liuqing_wei @Tongrongtian @Aaaalice268 Image
Thanks to @iaccp for inviting me to talk about this work years ago, when we were still working on it. The feedback was a great help! 🙌

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