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In this second post on the revisionism currently going through the @LibDems is the general acceptance that the quotas do need to change and so now clearly everyone is saying 'why didn't someone do something sooner?' Of course we first tried in 2023 after the first FWS case. 🧵 Image
The above is a fairly typical response from the trans lobby. Already in 2023 it was clear that self-ID couldn't be used as the basis of quotas and allowing non-binary people into both the men's and women's quotas was inherently unfair. But we were told to leave for raising it. Image
That wasn't the only abuse we received for daring to try to make the quotas compliant with the Equality Act. Councillors and Party Officers liked and shared messages likening us to a pubic lice infestation & speculating how much insecticide it would take get rid of us. Image
And there's more where that came from! The complaints system did nothing. Called it free speech. Imagine if anyone had said this about trans people - they would be rightly sanctioned if not removed from the Party. liberalvoiceforwomen.org/blog/open-lett…
By 2025 it was even clearer the quotas needed to be amended following the FWS Supreme Court ruling which also dealt with GRCs and the EqA saying provisions in the EqA about sex referred to biological sex. However we still weren't allowed to even debate changing the quotas.
All the usual tropes came out 'bigots', 'transphobic' etc all because we wanted to help put the quotas right in the Party and make them lawful. People have said we should put in complaints but really, what's the point? The trans lobby are allowed to say what they like about us.
We'd spent months writing to Party leaders and we even paid for expert legal advice to show that the quotas were incompatible with the law. Still no-one was ready to support us or bring their own 'official' amendment. Link to our legal advice is in here: liberalvoiceforwomen.org/blog/fair-and-…
However it seems following a discussion with the Party's KC there is a general acceptance by the trans lobby that the quotas do need to change. LGBT+ Lib Dems are still saying the sex-based quota needs to be 'trans inclusive' - but it is! Everyone has a sex. Image
Of course what they mean is allowing trans people to still claim to be the opposite sex which is incompatible with the law. At some point that Rubicon will need to be crossed by the Party bringing its own official amendment to quotas. They need to learn Plus will never be happy
In the meantime the latest Federal Appeals Panel ruling contains quite a lot that agrees with our original premise around the quotas and is satisfying to see. Rules the original 2.5 was 'infelicitously drafted.' Image
Also contains this nugget. The trans lobby - however strongly they feel - cannot induce a breach of the Equality Act (also see s.112 of Equality Act) Image
Full ruling here. Steady but painful progress is being made but after years of shutting down debate on the basis that any debate was motivated by 'transphobia' - for trans activists to now claim something should have been done sooner is hypocritical.(end) libdems.org.uk/fileadmin/grou…

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Nov 13
One reason @LibDems found it hard to change the quotas is that the trans lobby have convinced them of several 'misdemeanours' of knowing what sex someone is and treating them as such (either through words or policies) or by not performatively agreeing they've changed sex. 👉🧵 Image
Some examples or the use of these terms in the wild of the @LibDems. 'Othered' / 'othering' from Lib Dem Voice articles: Image
'Outed' or 'outing': being used here in articles about the quotas in Lib Dem Voice by both of the presidential candidates. This ignores the Lib Dem election regulations which states that giving info to access quotas may allow people to discern information about candidates: Image
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Nov 7
What this email reveals is the contradictory task of the @LibDems trying to meet demands of LGBT 'Plus' & abide by law. Plus has told the Party for years that misgendering is the worst thing you can do. This means ppl who ID as non-binary are now not included in the 2.5 quota 🧵 Image
Of course people who identify as non-binary do have a biological sex. If the Party & Plus could understand 2.5 is a quota on sex not gender - so they could tick a male or female box - they could still be included. Whilst Plus shout 'misgendering' this is a consequence.
Also term 'cis' is used to avoid misgendering - now means trans ppl excluded from 2.5. The email discusses those with a GRC - some with a GRC have intimated ticking a box that is opposite to their 'acquired gender' goes against statutory declaration to 'live in that gender'
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Nov 5
Another day ending in Y so another LDV article about the quotas. Onyx says "Most of this party fundamentally disagrees with the Supreme Court ruling." Onyx provides no evidence for this. Indeed our polling shows majority of LD members support single-sex spaces & sports See 👉 🧵 Image
Onyx goes onto say "I’ve seen the emails and messages this week from members resigning over it, and I understand their pain." Not recognising the numbers who've left or considered leaving over the Party's extreme stance on this issue. For example 1,100 signatories to this! Image
Also not recognising that even though LVW disagree with the Party's stance on this issue we have chosen to stay. Many of us continue to give up time to campaign, canvass and deliver for the @LibDems despite the abuse and discrimination we've faced including being told to leave.
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Nov 3
The @LGBTLD petition to the quotas change is worth reading. Charley, the Chair, wanted the @LibDems to get rid of all diversity quotas. This means quotas that help address genuine under-representation of:
🔸Women
🔸Ethnic minorities
🔸People living with a disability.
in LDs 🧵 Image
Again just as we had with the Forstater decision ("LDs not an employer so ruling doesn't apply" nonsense) note this line "as a non-governmental private members’ organisation, the Lib Dems are not bound by quota provisions designed for public-sector decision-making bodies." See👉 Image
This is the EHRC guidance for political parties explaining how s.158 of the Equality Act applies to them. It is not about whether an organisation is a 'public-sector' body. As an association the @LibDems are bound by the Equality Act and the relevant provisions within.
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Oct 23
Powerful speech from one of our Lib Dems @Bobby_Dean - bravely speaking about his and his wife's traumatic miscarriage in the hope of helping others. Bobby has raised a number of important issues this year relevant to women and violence against women and girls. 1/4
In February Bobby spoke about the Online Safety Act. He spoke about the issues with pornography and violence. Importantly he highlighted "teenage girls are the group most likely to be victims of domestic abuse. That is attributed in part to the rise of misogynistic content." 2/4 Image
In April he spoke in the Impact of Digital Platforms debate - again mentioning issues of pornography & addiction. Compared with internal conference debates 10 years ago it's clear the @LibDems have shifted on this issue - realising the harms that were still nascent back then 3/4 Image
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Jul 19
This week at least two motions came to Lib Dem run councils regarding Supreme Court ruling. One motion to St Albans District Council - the motion was ultimately referred to a different committee but you can hear the LD Cllr propose the motion here 🧵:
Clearly a very emotional speech discussing her motivation as a mother of a trans woman. Prior to this speech our Chair @hollowood_zoe had asked a question regarding the motion. The reply indicated the council did its best to uphold the law.
The 2nd motion brought came to Cambridgeshire County Council. This motion by Cllr Whelan passed. Says "Women and girls, including trans women" and "all women, including trans women" so essentially implies a subset of males should be classed as women cambridgeshire.cmis.uk.com/CCC_live/Docum…
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