I decided to do a deep dive to figure out what it would take for European voters to change the law to allow them to deport migrants. For instance, say the voters of Italy wanted to deport Syrian terrorists to Syria. What would they need to do, legally to get that outcome? ๐Ÿงต
The blocker to this is the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), adopted in 1950 in response to Nazi atrocities.

Article 3 bans torture. You might think torture means e.g. waterboarding someone to extract information. But through the magic of case law it means much more.
From the 1950s to the 1970s, Article 3 just meant you couldn't torture people in the normal sense. In 1978 an ECHR case expanded the definition of torture (or rather "inhumane treatment") to be about suffering caused, not, you know, actual torture.
In 1985, a German teenager slit his Canadian girlfriend's throats in America. Then the couple fled to Europe. In 1989, the ECHR ruled that he couldn't be extradited to America where he would face the death penalty.
This was huge, because it essentially made deporting countries responsible for anything that happened to a deportee after being deported. Over the next few decades, this was expanded from death penalty cases to routine deportations.
Life in Afghanistan sucks, so anyone sent there is going to have a life that sucks, so deporting anyone to Afghanistan for any reason (including terrorism, rape) is torture, so you can't do it at all. This is established law in all 46 ECHR signatory countries. Got it?
In 2012 the ECHR ruled that when you intercept a migrant boat in international waters, they fall under your jurisdiction, so the same rules apply. You can't send them back even if you stop them en route.
So how can an anti-migrant government get actual results while bound by ECHR case law? The nuclear option is to withdraw from the ECHR entirely. That means getting kicked out of the Council of Europe and the EU. You'd become a pariah state, but you'd at least have democracy back.
The other option is to change the ECHR from inside. I looked into actually changing the text of the agreement and it's all but impossible. You would need ALL 46 states to agree unanimously, which would never happen. Liechtenstein or Montenegro could just veto it.
But as I said above, it wasn't the text of the agreement that de-facto banned deportation. It was case law decided by activist judges who expanded article 3 way beyond what any signatory thought they were agreeing to when they signed on.
So what you really need is to get the European equivalent of Clarence Thomas onto the ECHR court, to restore the narrow interpretation of article 3. So what would it take to do that?
The ECHR court has 46 judges and they rotate through cases, with 17 judges presiding over each case. Also, the judge from your country always presides over cases involving your country, so can cast a swing vote if the other judges are split evenly.
How do judges get on the ECHR court? The country sends a shortlist of 3 judges to PACE (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe), and then PACE can select 1 of them or reject all 3. Poland tried selecting narrow-article-3 judges and PACE rejected them repeatedly.
So you need anti-migrant representatives holding the majority of PACE seats. There are 306 voting members, and they come from the parliaments of each of the nations, with large nations like France and Germany getting more seats than smaller nations.
So you need a population-weighted majority of European parliaments to be rightwing so you can control a majority of seats in PACE. Then you need at least 23 countries to nominate rightwing jurists to the ECHR court so that PACE can elect them.
Then once you've done that, those judges need to rule on deportation cases, overturning decades of case law to return to the narrow interpretation of article 3.

Only then can you deport convicted terrorists to their home countries.

So, uh, good luck.
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May 21
Knitting machines are a 400-year-old technology. So how come I can't buy one for $1k and have it cranking out sweaters 24/7? I can do that with a 3D printer, and 3D printers have only been around for a few decades.

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Knitting is about repeating a series of steps that are exactly the same every time you do them. It's a natural fit for mechanization. And sure enough, textiles was the first industry to industrialize. The first knitting machine was invented all the way back in 1589. Image
If you own a sweater and it wasn't gifted to you by someone who knits, odds are it was produced by a large industrial knitting machine that knits big sheets of fabric that are cut to shape and then stitched together by another machine. Basically the same process as woven fabrics.
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Jan 15
The real issue is that we've built a society where the normal, expected, on-rails path involves 16 years of education, after which the rails abruptly end without setting people up for success. Either we end the societal expectation of college or we offer a clear path to a job.
Imagine a conscientious person who does exactly what their elders expect of them to the best of their ability. It's easy to picture this person at age 22 having six figures of debt, a degree, and no job skills. Why do we funnel people like that down this very specific path?
I'm not saying this is the median college experience. I'm saying that we don't have good guardrails. Nobody is stopping a good student from going to an expensive college and majoring in an oversaturated field. The profs in that field even encourage it.
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Sep 24, 2024
Society does a lot to encourage certain choices and discourage others. Sometimes this happens explicitly, with people actually telling you to choose A over B (e.g. "say no to drugs").

When the consensus is very strong, sometimes the choice is not framed as a choice at all. Like, technically you had a choice of whether to drop out of high school or not. But I doubt you weighed the pros and cons. Dropping out is simply unthinkable for most people, like choosing to drive in the oncoming lane.

The inverse of this is when something is explicitly called out as a personal decision for you to make: whether to go to college, what major to choose, who to marry, whether to have children, etc.

When a choice is explicitly framed as a choice, society also frames the parameters for making the choice: what details to consider, what the deciding factor should be, what kind of person should make which decision, etc.

Liberals frame the choice of whether to go to college in a way that is very favourable to colleges. They ask themselves if they're smart enough to succeed in college, with it being a bygone conclusion that smart people go to college. The self-flattering answer is "yes, I'm a genius who belongs in college" so that's what most liberals do. (When a conservative comes along and says to become a plumber instead, have no student loans and start earning way sooner, it's a totally alien framing of the decision. Liberals simply aren't thinking in those terms.)

The next choice they face is the choice of a college major. The conventional wisdom when I went to college was that you should follow your passion. At least that was conventional among middle-class white liberals. Immigrant cultures saw college as more of an investment, so they all crowded into the higher earning fields while art history was white as the driven snow. I think the great recession moved white libs towards an investment framing, so now CS is bigger than all the humanities combined.

Once you get your degree and marry your college sweetheart, it's time to decide whether to have kids. My perception is that, a century ago, people didn't really consider it a choice. It was just a given that a married couple would have kids. Part of second wave feminism was to make the choice explicit, with voluntary childlessness as a socially accepted and valid option.

Now when couples decide whether to have kids, I hear them mention the same few things:

1. Sleep loss
2. Ability to go on vacations
3. How much they like kids

This is the framing. Do you like kids more than you like vacations and dislike sleep loss? There are a million other things about being a parent, but these are the things people are primed to think about.

It's funny, thinking back to the college major choice, how inconsistent these are. Nobody thinks about sleep loss in choice of college major, even though some majors lose lots of sleep studying. It's a little weird for someone who didn't consider vacation-maxxing at all when "following their passions" in college to consider it a top factor in fertility. But they were only primed to think that way in one of those choices, not the other.

I consider the current framing of fertility decisions to be pretty anti-natalist. It's framed as a lifestyle choice and mostly focused on the lifestyle of new parents with infants. Like if the choice to go to college was focused mainly on the comfort of dorm bed mattresses.

Imagine if fertility choices were framed thusly: "Do I have what it takes to be a good parent? Am I resilient enough to deal with the difficulties of parenthood? Am I a virtuous person who would make a good role model?" Imagine if it were a bygone conclusion that anyone answering yes to these questions should have kids. I think a lot of liberal DINKs would say, "you bet I'm resilient and virtuous!" and have six children.
A bad framing is an infohazard. It can make you make the wrong decision even with all the correct information presented to you. We rely on framings to help us focus on what's important, but they can make us dwell on less important or wholly irrelevant factors.
I didn't want to bring up gender identity in the post, because it's a culture war nuke that would derail the central point. But I'll discuss it here.

Growing up in the 90s, it was unthinkable to change your gender. As in, we literally didn't think about it. A tiny minority of people still came out as trans, but they only asked themselves the question "am I trans?" when something was already clearly wrong. Kind of like how you don't consider chemotherapy until after your cancer diagnosis. Why would you?

The last couple decades saw a lot of schools trying to "raise awareness" of trans stuff, ostensibly so people would be more accepting. And in so doing, they primed all kids to introspect about their gender identities, even when they weren't experiencing any psychological issues relating to gender.

And they provided the framing as well: "Do I feel more like a boy on the inside or a girl?" In this framing, the bygone conclusion is that you need to modify your body to match what you feel inside.

Most people, when presented with this choice and this framing, will conclude that they feel their gender matches their sex. But a minority will decide the opposite, including substantial numbers of people who wouldn't have thought twice about gender identity had they grown up in the 1990s and just never considered it.

Teachers don't see themselves as "transing the kids" when they teach a unit on the gender-bread person. They aren't encouraging anyone to come to a specific conclusion. But encouraging every kid to ask the question, and to frame it in this specific way, is probabilistically much more likely to see kids answering "yes, I'm trans" than the old 90s way of not thinking about it until it's clearly a problem. If you've taught the gender-bread person to a thousand kids, you've probably caused at least one transition that wouldn't have happened had nobody brought it up. You are stochastically transing the kids.
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Napoleon's Triumph is a wargame published in 2007. It is a very highly regarded game with unique mechanics unlike the rest of the wargaming genre.
I think this game would be great for online play. And with the designer/publisher retired from the industry, it doesn't seem like anybody is working on an app. So if I want to play the game online, I'll have to make it myself.
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May 5, 2023
Here's a simple model of crime: Everyone has some latent propensity to commit crimes. For most people it's low but not zero. For instance, Alice might be the kind of person to commit one felony every 1000 years. If that's true, she most likely commits 0 felonies in her life. ๐Ÿงต
For the sake of this thought experiment, I'm going to assume the crimes a person commits are Poisson-distributed. They have some fixed probability of committing a crime at any given moment, but we just don't know what the probability is for a given person.
Among people with a low crime propensity, most will never commit a crime. But some will, and it will tend to happen under extreme circumstances.

There are other people with much higher propensity to commit crimes. Maybe Bob averages 1 felony per year.
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