WAYMO: That’s who they picked up! That’s part of the history!
UBER: *getting exasperated* Your honor, you... you just have to see this.
ALSUP: This is a trick. I’m not going to fall for it.
ALSUP: You are leading the jury with the impression that you invented LIDAR, that you invented self-driving cars. If this continues, at some point I’m going to have to interject and say it’s about 8 specific things.
DOLGOV: We built them.
WAYMO: Are they available to buy off the shelf?
WAYMO: Over the years, how many custom LIDARSs have Waymo designed over time?
DOLGOV: About six major models.
DOLGOV: *chuckles in monotone* Amazing
DOLGOV: That’s right.
UBER: Before you came to Google, you worked on self-driving cars at Stanford. And those cars used Velodyne LIDAR, right? With 64 laser beams.
UBER: And you don't contend that your trade secrets are in the Velodyne LIDAR, do you?
Dolgov says that trade secrets aren't as clearly mapped as the patent system.
Uber is trying to trick Dolgov into saying their trade secrets aren't trade secrets.
DOLGOV: I know two.
Dolgov says he can remember it coming up a couple years ago.
ALSUP: Okay, next question.
ALSUP: If someone out there manages to see it, jump up and tell us we’re not doing it right.
they turned off the projector
DOLGOV: Measuring the impact of something by counting boxes is not the metric I would use.
A lawyer says yes
ALSUP: They changed that. It used to be 17.
- Unlike patents, you don’t apply for it, no government agency issues a trade secret
- It’s something that typically a company comes up with. They develop their own way of doing something and they keep it secret.
- If that information is generally known to the public, it’s not a trade secret.
14,700 files, a total of 9.74 gigabytes
BROWN: I don't know.
UBER: David Drummond is the general counsel of Alphabet, the top ranking lawyer.
BROWN: I don't know?
BROWN: That's me.
UBER: You are someguyiknow, right?
BROWN: I am.
"He announced that he wanted to start his own company that was involved in autonomous trucks, which would not be a direct competitor to Google, that was the general agreement. "
"John K. has now said he wants this investigation done in a week." It's Krafcik
"Have you finished reviewing all the Xoogler laptops?"
UBER: But it’s not hard to detect whether someone downloads the entire database, that’s not hard, is it?
BROWN: I don’t know.
BROWN: Not particularly.
WAYMO: So whether there are certain precautions that should be taken with respect to the SVN server, you’re not in a position to testify about that, are you?
ALSUP: You ask questions like ‘Don’t you think it would be a good idea,’ that’s the same thing.
Uber lets it go.
ALSUP: Okay, Angie make sure that... wait it was up on the screen and now it's gone again, what are you doing to me?
- Structure is not uniform, in the patent it’s much more uniform.
- Angles of the edges are very specific and there’s a flow, angles are all the same on patent.
ALSUP: Even though ‘96 got thrown into oblivion, you’re still trying to screw it into place. It doesn’t have anything to do with any of the trade secrets.
- Access to sensors
- Access to his data
BARES: It looks like it.
BARES: The know-how of which side of the mountain to climb and to help us with our road map, does it take three years or five years, how should we approach the whole problem.
WAYMO: Do you remember who made that for you?
BARES: Anthony would have been the only one.
"Need a pep talk
- Newco mess (secrecy, don’t report to me, consulting, laser fumble)"
Newco = Otto / Anthony Levandowski
"Lasers, Data, Advice are the three things."
"Non, non, that is ze patent"
BARES: That's a... the book on something like war time for a company. It’s sort of hunker down time. That might actually be the title.
WAYMO: Who said this?
[extremely long pause]
WAYMO: That’s right.
ALSUP: So why don’t you say that?!
KALANICK: *rueful look* Yes.
WAYMO: Do you think this accurately represents your answers?
KALANICK: I don't know.
He did review it in depo so now moving on to impeaching with depo
TK: I believe that’s the general perception, yes.
TK: I’m not sure if it was end of Dec 2015 or early 2016 but in that time period.
TK: He was very adamant about starting a new company and we were very adamant about hiring him.
Who are you here to see: Travis Kalanick
Purpose of Visit: Meeting
Dec 20, 2015 2:41 PM
- They fail on first batch (our 5-10 m is flushed)
- They get bought by a competitor or their product enables their competitor
KALANICK: It’s a term I use from time to time but I don’t know specifically.
WAYMO: Do you deny you said it?
WAYMO: You know what intellectual property means.
WAYMO: Intellectual property belongs to someone. That’s why the word property is in it.
WAYMO: So you had a meeting on January 3 — where you look at the pictures — it looks like you had a ✌🏼jam session ✌🏼 where you were working on ideas with respect to laser and Levandowski?
TK: Yeah it appears we had a jam session
KALANICK: Uh, close, it’s part of how it works and it doesn’t work without it.
WAYMO So laser is the sauce that makes AV work?
- TK met up with him over the weekend and is a big fan
- 250 m range sensing pedestrian wearing black North Face jacket and jeans
- 400 points per second
- Configurable horizontal scan rate and area
WAYMO: I'll just finish this document, your honor?
ALSUP: We'll see at 1 pm.
ALSUP: Mr. Kalanick, you have to be here at 7:30 in the morning, we'll continue your testimony at that time.