@JenniferAnne_s

@JenniferAnne_s

@DetransCanada

@RugbyCanada

justdad7

@justdad7

#Billc6 update. The minutes for the clause by clause review of Bill C-6 on conversion therapy have been posted so we can see what other amendments were proposed. The approved amendments are in the report of the committee. /2
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@r_garrison

There were a series of amendments proposed by @r_garrison which would have made the bill more restrictive by extending the ban to adults. These were rejected. The one amendment that passed changed the wording of the exemption in a way that, in my view, is a small improvement. /3

This is the amendment proposed by Rob Moore. It misses the point. In my opinion, the government is correct that the words "practice, service or treatment" already exclude private conversations or expressions or opinion that do not form part of formal counselling or therapy. /4

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Detrans Canada

@DetransCanada

@tomblackwellNP

This will not be published online until Monday, but I wanted to post it here for those who would like to read it before then.

Thank you so much @tomblackwellNP and @nationalpost for your balanced, critical & respectful coverage.

"I Feel Angry" - Eva, founder of Detrans Canada

@nationalpost

If you would like to buy your own copy, drop by your local Shoppers or Newstand today!

If you appreciate their coverage of this topic, feel free to contact @nationalpost and editor in chief @itsrobroberts to let them know.

@tomblackwellNP

'Inside Canada's Teen Transgender Treatment Boom'
by @tomblackwellNP of the @nationalpost

#TransHealth #TransKids #TransTeens #DetransVisibility #DetransCanada

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Canadian Gender Report

@GenderReportCA

#BillC6 is likely to move ahead without amendments.

The definition in C6 comes from this CPATH lobbying document to the Cdn federal government in 2019. The real intent of the Bill becomes obvious in this doc. Thread

ourcommons.ca/Content/Commit…

The “one-way” definition in #BillC6 is Recommendation 2 on p4.

"Gender conversion practice is an intervention aimed at changing a person’s sexual orientation to heterosexual and/or a person’s gender to cisgender" /2

Page 3 is most interesting - WPATH SOCv7 is viewed as too restrictive because it advocates for the involvement of mental health professionals.

We wrote about the limitations of WPATH SOCv7 here /3 genderreport.ca/bias-not-evide…

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justdad7

@justdad7

Looking ahead on #BillC6. The Justice Committee will do clause by clause review of Bill C-6 tomorrow. Based on the comments at the hearings, I expect the Bill to be approved without amendment. After Friday, the House is scheduled to adjourn until Jan 25, 2021. /2

When the House returns it will consider the committee report. Amendments can be proposed at this stage. It will then move on to third reading debate where there is a further opportunity to propose amendments. This is likely to happen sometime in February. /3

The Bill then goes to the Senate, which repeats the process. After second reading, the Bill will be referred to the Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs where there will be another chance for public input. /4
sencanada.ca/en/committees/…

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Detrans Canada

@DetransCanada

Thread on Meeting 15 by the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights

Watch it live or stream it later here:
parlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/Pow…

@LDBildy

We had been invited by @LDBildy of @JCCFCanada to share her time today, but we were not allowed to participate at the last minute.

Lisa Bildy incorporated some of our most salient concerns in her statement to the committee, and we are very grateful for that.

You can read our full analysis of #BillC6 on our site here:
detranscanada.com/brief-on-bill-…

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Detrans Canada

@DetransCanada

@LDBildy

We're pleased to announce that we've been invited to testify at tomorrow's hearing on #BillC6 by @LDBildy who is representing @JCCFCanada
We are very grateful to Lisa for giving us the opportunity to share the concerns of #detrans Canadians
Tune in @ 11am
ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer…

Here is the brief we have submitted to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights
#Detrans #DetransCanada #BillC6

detranscanada.com/brief-on-bill-…

https://twitter.com/DetransCanada/status/1331147434618187776?s=20

Here is a social media friendly summary of our brief
#Detrans #DetransCanada #BillC6

https://twitter.com/DetransCanada/status/1331147434618187776?s=20

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justdad7

@justdad7

#BillC6 update. The agenda for the final day of hearings is out. There are 5 women and 5 men but no one I recognize as speaking specifically for the lesbian or detransitioner communities. /2
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@LDBildy

@LDBildy is a witness. Her group have prepared a detailed brief on Bill C-6 you can read here. I would like to see @MinJusticeEn provide a reasoned response. There is lots of scope for a Charter challenge. /3
jccf.ca/wp-content/upl…

The Canadian Association of Social Workers issued a statement in support of a previous version of the Bill. casw-acts.ca/en/statement-b… They refer to a policy statement on conversion therapy which refers only to sexual orientation. casw-acts.ca/en/casw-condem… /4

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justdad7

@justdad7

Time to start thinking about amendments to #Billc6. Amendments after 2nd reading have to respect the scope and principles of the bill there is little chance of getting gender identity removed completely, but there are things that can be done. I have prepared some ideas. /2

This would provide a blanket exemption for regulated health care professionals (who would still be subject to provincial rules) while leaving in place protection against abuse by unlicensed persons. /3

This fixes what should have been an obvious problem. As drafted the bill would apply to therapy for minor attracted persons or efforts to prevent a 16 year old from engaging in unprotected sex (but only with a person of the same sex). /4

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justdad7

@justdad7

The Justice Committee will be starting its review of #Billc6 An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (Conversion Therapy) on Nov 26. You can find details of the bill here. /2
parl.ca/LegisInfo/Bill…

The committee is meeting in hybrid form, with witnesses attending by video conference. Meetings will be webcast unless the members decide to meet in camera. You can follow the committee's work at this web page /3
ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/…

The first order of business will be to decide who to call as a witness. The Committee normally starts by hearing from the Minister of Justice and then calls witnesses, with 1 hour allowed for each group of 4. Witnesses are given 5 minutes to make an opening statement. /4

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Rukhsana Sukhan

@RukhsanaSukhan

I'm no longer interested in secular feminism.

I'm interested in fighting #billc6 and in getting #billc16 repealed. I'm interested in stopping Mengele-like experiments on vulnerable children. I'm interested in fighting the erosion of parental rights.

Not here to man hate.

Also everyone who wants these same things is my ally, that includes men. If you don't like it, that's cool, because I never asked you. I don't ask anyone for permission to associate with anyone else.

And I sure ain't starting now.

Keep your purity tests. Keep your tribes. Keep your "group loyalty". I reject all of that.

I belong to no tribe.

I'm an aspergerian autist—i don't do or understand tribes and groups.

So don't confuse your authoritarianness with progressiveness or social justice.

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justdad7

@justdad7

🇨🇦 There are many parallels between Bill C-7 on MAID and #BillC6 on conversion therapy, which are both at the committee stage . /2
OPINION | Why new medical assistance in dying law should be sent back to the drawing board | CBC News cbc.ca/news/opinion/o…

Both deal with complex and emotionally charged issues. In both cases, the government consultation seems to have been only with activists on one side of the debate. In both cases the most visible opponents have been religious conservatives but opposition is in fact much broader /3

and includes both religious and secular concerns. One critical difference is that while the media is providing balanced reporting on Bill C-7 there is no such balance on Bill C-6. No Canadian media is covering the issues raised by Detrans Canada. /4
detranscanada.com/brief-on-bill-…

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justdad7

@justdad7

@MinJusticeEn

The @MinJusticeEn has now published a Charter Statement on #billc6 to ban "conversion therapy." The level of analysis is embarrassingly low. Most of the paper simply summarizes various sections of the Charter that might be applicable. /2
justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/pl…

@JCCFCanada

There no attempt to analyze or provide a reasoned response to any of the objections to the bill that have been raised by various groups such as the @JCCFCanada
jccf.ca/published_repo… /3

The paper argues that because the bill applies only to a "practices, services or treatments" it therefore excludes "purely private discussions" with school counsellors, parents and faith leaders. The problem is that there is no clarity as to where a "private discussion" /4

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Rukhsana Sukhan

@RukhsanaSukhan

@iamiqrakhalid

Attention Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights:

@iamiqrakhalid @RobMoore_CPC @RhealFortin @KerryLynneFindl @Cooper4SAE @r_garrison @mikekelloway @ChrisLewisEssex @j_maloney
@sangharamesh @viraniarif @SameerZuberi

https://twitter.com/STILLTish/status/1325041320713482242

Since 2011 GIDs have been giving Puberty Blockers to children as young as 10. Invariably they will progress to Cross Sex Hormones. They will be sterile. GIDs still haven’t published the research outcomes nearly 10 yrs later.

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/Bigg…

I urge you to look very closely at what has happened in the UK vis à vis the Kiera Bell case as you consider #BillC6

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justdad7

@justdad7

🇨🇦 #billc6 debate part 1. The transcript of yesterday's debate on conversion therapy legislation is now available online. I will review it and add comments to this thread throughout the day. The debate will resume this morning.
ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer…

@GarnettGenuis

🇨🇦 #billc6 debate part 2. First up, an eloquent speech by @GarnettGenuis at around page 1910. He explains how the definition of conversion therapy is a major overreach and needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, he does not discuss therapy for gender dysphoria in detail.

@RobMoore_CPC

🇨🇦
#billc6 debate part 3. Comments by Conservative justice critic @RobMoore_CPC are also encouraging. He speaks about the need for the justice committee to hear from all stakeholders, including therapists dealing with gender dysphoria, to revise the definition in the bill.

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justdad7

@justdad7

@artymortyarty

While the debate on #billc6 to ban conversion therapy is being presented as a fight for the LGBTQ community, many LGBT people, and lesbians in particular, have serious concerns about the legislation. @artymortyarty explains in this video. /2

This site, created by a group of LGBT people, explores the issue in more detail. The basic concern is that conversion therapy laws will lead many children who would otherwise grow up to be lesbian or gay to misdiagnosed as transgender. /3
genderhq.org/conversion-the…

This is an acute concern for the lesbian community. Young lesbians often do not fully realize their identity until they are in their 20s. By that time they may have had at least a double mastectomy. /4
4thwavenow.com/2016/01/25/the…

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justdad7

@justdad7

@DavidLametti

@DavidLametti @MinJusticeEn It sounds like your latest talking point on #Billc6 is that parents don't have to worry because the bill does not prohibit exploratory psychotherapy for gender dysphoria. The text of the bill does not support this. /2

https://twitter.com/beynate/status/1319304127206260736?s=20

@JamesCantorPhD

The language of the bill is vague. @JamesCantorPhD describes the terminology as "incomprehensible" and is concerned that it will restrict therapists from helping patients become comfortable with their original gender . /3
sexologytoday.org/2020/10/bill-c…

The effects of the bill can be judged from the effects of existing conversion therapy bans. Parents are having difficulty finding therapists who will perform a proper mental health assessment before approving transition. /4
genderreport.ca/gender-dysphor…

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justdad7

@justdad7

🇨🇦 Getting needed changes to #BillC6 on conversion therapy is going to require an unlikely alliance. The only elected officials who are willing to criticize the bill are members of the social conservative wing of the Conservative party. They are a minority and need allies. /2

The potential allies are a diverse group I will loosely describe as "gender critical" whose main concern is the treatment of gender identity. This group includes doctors, psychologists, feminists, parents of dysphoric kids and de-transitioners. Many are LGB or LGB supporters. /3

In order to make this alliance work, both sides need to accept some hard facts. The social conservatives need to accept that therapy cannot change sexual orientation. Many gays and lesbians have suffered serious abuse at the hands of conservative religious leaders. /4

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pauldirks

@pauldirks

Given that we are publicly discussing sexual orientation/preference, here is a primer from the peer-reviewed literature. Hint: if you think sexual orientation is immutable you're about 15 years behind. #BillC6 #ACB #SexualPreference Thread. 1/

2/ Orientation is difficult to define: attractions, behavior, personal identity, all possibilities. While often overlapping, not always the case. Furthermore, risks (eg. physical or mental health) are often associated differently for these categories. See researchgate.net/publication/66…

3/ Stewart 2019 sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
Teens over only three years in longitud. study. “26% of girls and 11% of boys reported fluidity in identity and 31% of girls and 10% of boys reported fluidity in attractions."

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justdad7

@justdad7

@MinJusticeEn

🇨🇦 @MinJusticeEn, has your department done a Charter review of #Billc6? The applicable law is here. The key requirement is that the means that the law employs must be proportionate to the objective. One element of this test is /2
justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rf…

minimum restriction of protected rights. Instead of attempting to follow this principle, the drafters of Bill C-6 have aimed for maximum reach. There is no attempt whatsoever to respect the rights of religious groups to promote their teachings and the language of the bill /3

even extends to activities which are necessary and desirable. For example, it would be a crime to try to stop a 14 year old boy from having sex with older men or to help a 17 year old repress his attraction to younger children. The bill should be withdrawn and redrafted.

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justdad7

@justdad7

🇨🇦People have been asking me how long they have to submit a brief on #billc8 on conversion therapy. The short answer is I don't know but my best guess is at least 4 - 6 weeks. A longer answer requires an explanation of the process of passing a law in Canada. /2

Every bill goes through 3 readings in the House of Commons and Senate. First reading is the introduction of the Bill. It took place on Thursday. At second reading the bill is debated in principle. This could start as early as Oct 7 but probably won't for at least a week. /3

@GenderReportCA

If you have concerns you want raised at second reading, write or call MPs. @GenderReportCA has a template letter you can use as a starting point. The bill is going to pass second reading. The Liberals can combine with the NDP and Bloc to pass it. /4

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justdad7

@justdad7

@MinJusticeEn

🇨🇦 You can follow the progress of #billc6 to ban 'conversion therapy' at this link.
parl.ca/LegisInfo/Bill…
The bill is the same wording as Bill C8 from the last session with all the multiple drafting flaws. While Minister of Justice @MinJusticeEn David Lametti has been /2

that the bill is not intended to criminalize private conversations or expressions of opinions, he has not been very clear on what it does ban. Everyone is agreeing that certain forms of conversion therapy' very band and should be banned but nobody can say what they are. /3

This is not acceptable when you are talking about criminal laws which carry a maximum penalty of give years in prison. Is there anyone in the government who can give a concrete example of a practice that the bill will ban or an example of a practice that is permitted? /4

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