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Today is the 22nd and final day of the Horizon trial, second trial of the Bates v Post Office group litigation at the High Court. Anthony de Garr Robinson QC (left) for the Post Office arriving this morning. He will be making the PO's closing submissions for five hours today.
I'll be tweeting from Court 26 from 10.30am and posting up sections of the Post Office's written closing (if I get it) as the day progresses. Follow this thread for all the "action". A write-up of yesterday's closing submissions for the claimants is here: postofficetrial.com/2019/07/horizo…
There are lots of interested observers in court today - @Karlfl from @ComputerWeekly (who wrote this yesterday) computerweekly.com/news/252466111…
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Welcome to Court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 21 of the Horizon trial, second trial in the Bates and others v Post Office group litigation. This man will be on his feet all day putting the claimants’ closing argument. Patrick Green QC.
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Throughout these live tweets I am paraphrasing and describing what is being said and what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.
We are underway.
Please hashtag any comments #postofficetrial
Patrick Green QC (PG)
"On analysis the way the Post Office has sought to adduce its own evidence is a one way ratchet"
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The #PostOfficeTrial cross-examination seems to have gone in circles over the relationship between causes of subpostmaster shortfalls (claimants say bugs and Post Office say it's something else) and the effects (the shortfalls in Horizon, and the litigation itself). 1/
Reasoning about causes given effects is hard because it requires thinking backwards​ in time. Let's instead think forwards, assuming a cause and working out the effect. We can use the result to work out the relative likelihood​ of causes (through Bayes' theorem). 2/
Scenario 1: assume claimants' shortfalls are not due to Horizon bugs. We, therefore,​ expect the effect of bugs to be evenly spread over claimants and non-claimants. 3/
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We are back in court 26 for day 20 of the Horizon trial. Final day of cross-examination for the Post Office’s independent IT expert Dr Robert Worden (pictured). Live tweets to follow. The hashtag is #postofficetrial - more info at postofficetrial.com
Dr Worden is being cross-examined by Patrick Green QC for the claimants. Sir Peter Fraser is the managing judge. For more info on this long-running (and insanely expensive) litigation, see postofficetrial.com
Usual disclaimer: I am paraphrasing and describing what is happening/being said in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless in “direct quotes”.
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We are back in court 26 for Day 19 of the Horizon trial. Claimants’ barristers arriving at the Rolls Building this morning. Patrick Green QC (left) putting the questions to IT expert for the Post Office, Dr Worden. Live tweets to follow.
Usual disclaimer: I am paraphrasing and summarising what is being said and happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.
If you know nothing about this litigation, you can find everything you need at postofficetrial.com
The hashtag is #postofficetrial
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Morning. We are in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 18 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Follow here for live tweets…
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Dr Robert Worden, the Post Office’s independent IT expert has been sworn in. His surname is pronounced as in “word”.
The word “word”, not as in “bored”…

anyway…. usual disclaimer…

These tweets are summaries and descriptions of what is being going on and being said in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless in “direct quotes”.
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Morning. Day 17 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office litigation (more info: postofficetrial.com). Last day of cross-examination for expert IT witness Jason Coyne, pictured arriving with a member of Freeths, the claimants’ legal team. Live tweets follow.
Judge starts by handing down judgment number 5 - reasons for decision on awarding costs to claimants re Common Issues trial and refusal to give permission to Post Office to appeal CI judgment.
I have a paper copy and will get an email copy later. I’ll post it up at lunchtime.
Just my regular warning that what I am tweeting is a description and/or summary of what is happening and being said in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.
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Morning. We are in Court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 16 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Live tweets to follow. Pictured is Ron Warmington, MD of Second Sight which investigated Horizon for the Post Office.
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Jason Coyne (JC), independent IT expert for the claimant Subpostmasters is being cross-examined by Anthony de Garr Robinson (DG), QC for the Post Office. This is his third day of evidence. Day 1 report: postofficetrial.com/2019/06/anthon…
Day 2: postofficetrial.com/2019/06/horizo…
You can also read the transcripts from the last two days and read Mr Coyne’s two expert reports at postofficetrial.com
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Good morning. We are in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for the continuation of the Horizon trial, the second trial of the Bates and others v Post Office class action. Live tweet thread to follow. Here are the Post Office barristers arriving for work.
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For background to this trial/class action please take a look at postofficetrial.com

Please note everything I tweet is a summary or description of what is happening/being said. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes"
The judge is sitting and going through some admin. He says he is hoping to hand down what will be judgment no. 5 by the end of the day. It relates to his refusal to allow the Post Office to appeal the Common Issues trial judgment.
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Okay here we go. Refusal by the Court of Appeal to allow an appeal by the Post Office to get Justice Fraser kicked off the group litigation Bates and others v Post Office, known on twitter as #postofficetrial Thread.
"permission to appeal against Judgment 4 [the recusal judgment] is refused. I set out the reasons for that conclusion in greater detail than usual only because of the volume and nature of the criticisms which have been made...
… , and the importance of the group litigation to both parties. I do not do so because of the merits of the application itself, which in my view is without substance.”
Ouch.
This decision is made by Lord Justice Coulson, btw...
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Good morning. We are in a packed (busiest I’ve seen it) court 26 for the recusal hearing. The Post Office wants the judge removed from Bates v Post Office litigation. There was a CWU demo outside court. It’s all going off. Follow this thread for live tweets.
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Seema Misra is in court with Jo Hamilton. Seema was sent to prison whilst pregnant in 2010. She is a former Subpostmaster at West Byfleet. Jo has a conviction for false accounting from her time as Subpostmaster at South Warnborough.
Lord Grabiner is on his feet...
“We invite your Lordship to recuse yourself from this litigation”
LG also wants the Horizon trial to be stayed
LG has confirmed PO WILL appeal the Common Issues trial.
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This is possibly the most disingenuous piece of self-serving bullshit I have ever read:

nfsp.org.uk/write/MediaUpl…

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Let’s remind ourselves what a High Court judge said about @NFSP_UK, shall we?

"It is obvious, in my judgment, that the NFSP is not remotely independent of the Post Office, nor does it appear to put its members’ interests above its own separate commercial interests….”
2/
@NFSP_UK “… I do not consider that the NFSP can in these circumstances properly be considered to be independent, or to be acting in the interests of SPMs [Subpostmasters]…”
3/
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Here’s the @PostOffice's take on their attempt to boot the judge off the litigation:

"We have reflected in great depth on the proceedings and detailed judgment from the first trial and will continue to consider all options….
“… As part of this, we have made an application today for the sitting Judge to be recused from the ongoing and upcoming trials. We are acutely aware of the significance of this application...
“… We will continue with our programme to improve the way we work with postmasters and are urgently considering how we can accelerate this work and address the criticisms about our operations raised in the judgment. We recognise that we must always continue to do better...
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Good morning from court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 7 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Mr Godeseth from Fujitsu is being cross-examined in the witness box.
Just a reminder - everything I tweet is a summary and paraphrases what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes"
Torstein Godeseth (TG) is the Horizon Chief Architect at Fujitsu. He is being cross-examined by Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants. They are discussing changing things in Horizon’s message store.
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We’re back for the afternoon session of Day 7 of the Horizon trial - part of the Bates v Post Office litigation.
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Mr Godeseth from Fujitsu continues to being cross-examined.
Follow this thread for live tweets from court.

Anything tweeted is a summary and paraphrase of what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes"
Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants is cross-examining Torstein Godeseth (TG)

they are discussing the early days of Horizon. It was a difficult birth back in the late 90s. DSS and Post Office were clients. DSS pulled out.
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Morning. We are in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 7 of the Horizon trial - part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Third day of Post Office witness cross-examination. Follow this thread for live tweets.
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*cracks knuckles*

Judge (Mr Justice Fraser) is sitting we are into housekeeping before the witnesses are called.
Please remember these tweets paraphrase and are summaries of what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”…

discussing the possibility of a day’s sitting next week to do some mopping up...
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Mini-thread: re my earlier comments about Angela van den Bogerd being the first senior @PostOffice manager to acknowledge the Helpline is known by Subpostmasters as the hell-line, I’ve had a look at the transcripts for the first trial (fully searchable on postofficetrial.com)
@PostOffice In the common issues trial the helpline being known as the hell-line was raised twice. Once with Nick Beal, a senior @PostOffice manager whose evidence was so unreliable the judge said he would only accept anything he said if back ed up by...
@PostOffice …. uncontrovertible documentary evidence. There was an exchange about the hell-line thus:

Q. The reference to the "Hell-line", which we saw over the page -- let's not beat about the bush, Mr Beal, that is how the NFSP saw the Helpline provided by Post Office, isn't it?
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We are at the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 6 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. @PostOffice director Angela van den Bogerd continuing to give evidence. In the last trial she was found to have misled the court.
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@PostOffice Follow this thread for live tweets from court. Please note EVERYTHING I write is a paraphrase or summary of what happens in court. It is not a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.
Short preamble before AB’s evidence continues re redaction of documents. @PostOffice are trying to withhold from the judge on grounds of confidentiality privilege and relevance. Judge implying he will decide what is relevant and if PO holds out on that factor he will take a view.
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Angela van den Bogerd, @PostOffice Director, who was found to have misled a judge in court under oath during the Common Issues trial arriving this morning to be cross-examined in the Horizon #postofficetrial. Follow this thread for live tweets of her evidence.
@PostOffice Mrs Angela van den Bogerd (AB) has started being cross-examined by Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants. Here we go.
PG You say you aim to give a balanced view. Did you aim to do that in November?
AB yes
PG and did you?
AB broadly yes
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We are back in the High Court Rolls Building court 26 for the afternoon session of Day 4 of the Horizon trial - second trial in Bates and others v Post Office.
Richard Roll is still on the stand we are talking about remote access. Mr Roll is telling the court how they would access a computer’s info to fix it.
POQC you would never and never manually changed a line of transaction data
RR we did when we changed a line of code, but we’d never change £10 to £100
POQC there is no way anyone at Fujitsu would change any transaction data
RR that’s not my recollection - we could do it and did
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Okay back in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for the final day of claimant witness cross-examination in the Horizon trial, part of the Bates and others v Post Office group litigation.

Follow this thread for live tweets.
I spent this morning updating the Horizon trial menu to ensure everything that happened yesterday is in the same place including my write-up, the transcript, witness statements and bonus material.
postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
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Okay court is sitting. Richard Roll - former Fujitsu Horizon third tier support employee is in continuing his evidence in the box. This is he outside court yesterday.
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Welcome back to court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building for the afternoon session of claimant cross-examination in the Horizon trial - part of Bates and others v @PostOffice group litigation

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Fomer Subpostmaster Angela Burke is on the stand. Next up is the Fujitsu whistleblower Richard Roll who featured in the 2015 Panorama “Trouble at the Post Office"
Post Office barrister (POB) is Owain Draper.

He is addressing AB re her Witness statement (WS) which suggests she didn’t think that if she had gone to the lengths she had gone to, she wouldn’t have recovered her £150.
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Morning all - we are in court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building approaching the 10.30am start time of Day 3 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v @PostOffice group litigation. For everything that happened on Day 1 and 2, go here: postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
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Follow this thread for live tweets throughout the day. Or mute me until 4.30pm!

Write up of yesterday’s proceedings: postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
My presence in court has been crowdfunded. If you can chip in the cost of a coffee or a pint there’s a tip jar on postofficetrial.com

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Contributors who donate £20 or more will be added to the secret email list!
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We are back in court 26 for the second witness in the Horizon trial. A Mr Jayesh Tank. Follow this thread for a blow-by-blow account of his evidence. Or mute me and wait for a write-up and transcript later this evening.
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Mr Tank used to run a two counter full service rural Post Office with a small retail premises attached. He ran it with his wife and one other member of staff.

Discussing The List - an online forum where SPMRs could share knowledge and advice.
The Post Office has a new barrister. I don’t know his name, but we’ll call him POB.
POB: How often did you post on the forum?
JT: not very often
POB when you occasionally had a problem
JT yes
POB how often did you look at it
JT every day
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