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Okay here we go. Refusal by the Court of Appeal to allow an appeal by the Post Office to get Justice Fraser kicked off the group litigation Bates and others v Post Office, known on twitter as #postofficetrial Thread.
"permission to appeal against Judgment 4 [the recusal judgment] is refused. I set out the reasons for that conclusion in greater detail than usual only because of the volume and nature of the criticisms which have been made...
… , and the importance of the group litigation to both parties. I do not do so because of the merits of the application itself, which in my view is without substance.”
Ouch.
This decision is made by Lord Justice Coulson, btw...
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Good morning. We are in a packed (busiest I’ve seen it) court 26 for the recusal hearing. The Post Office wants the judge removed from Bates v Post Office litigation. There was a CWU demo outside court. It’s all going off. Follow this thread for live tweets.
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Seema Misra is in court with Jo Hamilton. Seema was sent to prison whilst pregnant in 2010. She is a former Subpostmaster at West Byfleet. Jo has a conviction for false accounting from her time as Subpostmaster at South Warnborough.
Lord Grabiner is on his feet...
“We invite your Lordship to recuse yourself from this litigation”
LG also wants the Horizon trial to be stayed
LG has confirmed PO WILL appeal the Common Issues trial.
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This is possibly the most disingenuous piece of self-serving bullshit I have ever read:

nfsp.org.uk/write/MediaUpl…

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Let’s remind ourselves what a High Court judge said about @NFSP_UK, shall we?

"It is obvious, in my judgment, that the NFSP is not remotely independent of the Post Office, nor does it appear to put its members’ interests above its own separate commercial interests….”
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@NFSP_UK “… I do not consider that the NFSP can in these circumstances properly be considered to be independent, or to be acting in the interests of SPMs [Subpostmasters]…”
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Here’s the @PostOffice's take on their attempt to boot the judge off the litigation:

"We have reflected in great depth on the proceedings and detailed judgment from the first trial and will continue to consider all options….
“… As part of this, we have made an application today for the sitting Judge to be recused from the ongoing and upcoming trials. We are acutely aware of the significance of this application...
“… We will continue with our programme to improve the way we work with postmasters and are urgently considering how we can accelerate this work and address the criticisms about our operations raised in the judgment. We recognise that we must always continue to do better...
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Good morning from court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 7 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Mr Godeseth from Fujitsu is being cross-examined in the witness box.
Just a reminder - everything I tweet is a summary and paraphrases what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes"
Torstein Godeseth (TG) is the Horizon Chief Architect at Fujitsu. He is being cross-examined by Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants. They are discussing changing things in Horizon’s message store.
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We’re back for the afternoon session of Day 7 of the Horizon trial - part of the Bates v Post Office litigation.
#postofficetrial
Mr Godeseth from Fujitsu continues to being cross-examined.
Follow this thread for live tweets from court.

Anything tweeted is a summary and paraphrase of what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes"
Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants is cross-examining Torstein Godeseth (TG)

they are discussing the early days of Horizon. It was a difficult birth back in the late 90s. DSS and Post Office were clients. DSS pulled out.
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Morning. We are in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 7 of the Horizon trial - part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. Third day of Post Office witness cross-examination. Follow this thread for live tweets.
#postofficetrial
*cracks knuckles*

Judge (Mr Justice Fraser) is sitting we are into housekeeping before the witnesses are called.
Please remember these tweets paraphrase and are summaries of what is happening in court. Nothing is a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”…

discussing the possibility of a day’s sitting next week to do some mopping up...
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Mini-thread: re my earlier comments about Angela van den Bogerd being the first senior @PostOffice manager to acknowledge the Helpline is known by Subpostmasters as the hell-line, I’ve had a look at the transcripts for the first trial (fully searchable on postofficetrial.com)
@PostOffice In the common issues trial the helpline being known as the hell-line was raised twice. Once with Nick Beal, a senior @PostOffice manager whose evidence was so unreliable the judge said he would only accept anything he said if back ed up by...
@PostOffice …. uncontrovertible documentary evidence. There was an exchange about the hell-line thus:

Q. The reference to the "Hell-line", which we saw over the page -- let's not beat about the bush, Mr Beal, that is how the NFSP saw the Helpline provided by Post Office, isn't it?
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We are at the High Court’s Rolls Building for Day 6 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v Post Office group litigation. @PostOffice director Angela van den Bogerd continuing to give evidence. In the last trial she was found to have misled the court.
#postofficetrial
@PostOffice Follow this thread for live tweets from court. Please note EVERYTHING I write is a paraphrase or summary of what happens in court. It is not a direct quote unless it is in “direct quotes”.
Short preamble before AB’s evidence continues re redaction of documents. @PostOffice are trying to withhold from the judge on grounds of confidentiality privilege and relevance. Judge implying he will decide what is relevant and if PO holds out on that factor he will take a view.
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Angela van den Bogerd, @PostOffice Director, who was found to have misled a judge in court under oath during the Common Issues trial arriving this morning to be cross-examined in the Horizon #postofficetrial. Follow this thread for live tweets of her evidence.
@PostOffice Mrs Angela van den Bogerd (AB) has started being cross-examined by Patrick Green QC (PG) for the claimants. Here we go.
PG You say you aim to give a balanced view. Did you aim to do that in November?
AB yes
PG and did you?
AB broadly yes
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We are back in the High Court Rolls Building court 26 for the afternoon session of Day 4 of the Horizon trial - second trial in Bates and others v Post Office.
Richard Roll is still on the stand we are talking about remote access. Mr Roll is telling the court how they would access a computer’s info to fix it.
POQC you would never and never manually changed a line of transaction data
RR we did when we changed a line of code, but we’d never change £10 to £100
POQC there is no way anyone at Fujitsu would change any transaction data
RR that’s not my recollection - we could do it and did
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Okay back in court 26 of the High Court’s Rolls Building for the final day of claimant witness cross-examination in the Horizon trial, part of the Bates and others v Post Office group litigation.

Follow this thread for live tweets.
I spent this morning updating the Horizon trial menu to ensure everything that happened yesterday is in the same place including my write-up, the transcript, witness statements and bonus material.
postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
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Okay court is sitting. Richard Roll - former Fujitsu Horizon third tier support employee is in continuing his evidence in the box. This is he outside court yesterday.
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Welcome back to court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building for the afternoon session of claimant cross-examination in the Horizon trial - part of Bates and others v @PostOffice group litigation

#postofficetrial
Fomer Subpostmaster Angela Burke is on the stand. Next up is the Fujitsu whistleblower Richard Roll who featured in the 2015 Panorama “Trouble at the Post Office"
Post Office barrister (POB) is Owain Draper.

He is addressing AB re her Witness statement (WS) which suggests she didn’t think that if she had gone to the lengths she had gone to, she wouldn’t have recovered her £150.
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Morning all - we are in court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building approaching the 10.30am start time of Day 3 of the Horizon trial, part of the Bates v @PostOffice group litigation. For everything that happened on Day 1 and 2, go here: postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
#postofficetrial
Follow this thread for live tweets throughout the day. Or mute me until 4.30pm!

Write up of yesterday’s proceedings: postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
My presence in court has been crowdfunded. If you can chip in the cost of a coffee or a pint there’s a tip jar on postofficetrial.com

If you have paypal you can go direct - paypal.me/nickjwallis

Contributors who donate £20 or more will be added to the secret email list!
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We are back in court 26 for the second witness in the Horizon trial. A Mr Jayesh Tank. Follow this thread for a blow-by-blow account of his evidence. Or mute me and wait for a write-up and transcript later this evening.
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Mr Tank used to run a two counter full service rural Post Office with a small retail premises attached. He ran it with his wife and one other member of staff.

Discussing The List - an online forum where SPMRs could share knowledge and advice.
The Post Office has a new barrister. I don’t know his name, but we’ll call him POB.
POB: How often did you post on the forum?
JT: not very often
POB when you occasionally had a problem
JT yes
POB how often did you look at it
JT every day
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Okay apologies for the late start. I was writing a piece about something the Post Office QC said yesterday about Horizon and aeroplanes. it’s here: postofficetrial.com/2019/03/horizo…
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The first witness is in the box. Live tweets to follow.
Mr Adrees Latif’s image is in the witness box. He is being beamed to us via skype from Islamabad. He is being cross-examined by the PO silk Owain Draper. Mr Latif is a former Subpostmaster and presumably a claimant (I don’t have his witness statement yet).
He has been asked how often he was at his branch and the trusted staff he left behind when he wasn’t in the branch. The two senior staff were a female ex-police officer and a male old friend both of whom he trusted explicitly.
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Case Management Conference for Bates and others v Post Office has begun. Court 1 of the Rolls Building. Mr Justice Fraser presiding. Mr Cavender QC for @postoffice, Mr Green QC for the claimants currently on his feet.
#postofficetrial
Follow this thread for live tweets.
Mr Patrick Green and Judge discussing October’s trial. PG apologises for documents going to the wrong place. J says a couple of years in and he’s sure the documents will go where they should eventually.
Just a note - nothing in these tweets is a direct quote unless it is in direct quotes. These tweets are paraphrases and summaries of what is going on. And they will be infrequent as I try to pull out the nuggets from the legal to-ing and fro-ing.
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FINAL DAY of the #postofficetrial. Follow this thread for a day of live tweets - just been told we’re going till 5pm - longest day so far. Have a photo of a Christmas Tree with a spaceship landing behind it.
All these tweets are notes and paraphrases. No direct quotes unless they are in direct quotes.

for background on this trial please go to postofficetrial.com
We are in Court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building. Mr David Cavender, QC for the Post Office.

He is on day 2 of his closing argument.

We are talking about explicit, agreed and implied terms.

With reference to the Authorities.
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Day 15 of Bates v Post Office about to begin. Stick around for live tweets from a confused hack who is beginning to understand relational, implied, express, breach and the contra proferentem principle of construction. We can all learn together from 10.30am...
Silence in Court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building as we await his Lordship.
The usually impeccably punctual Mr Justice Fraser is one minute late. This has been noted by a barrister.
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Day 13 of the Bates v Post Office trial at court 26 of the High Court Rolls Building has just begun. This walk to work this morning through Inner Temple was rather lovely, but now: let’s get down to business [cracks knuckles]
Mr Patrick Green QC for the claimants is on his feet.

PG "The reality is no one expected the Post Office to terminate on 3 months notice without cause.” #postofficetrial

Nothing in this thread is a direct quote unless it is in direct quotes.
PG talking about that in terms of NTC switchover and evidence from Brian Trotter about the reality of that contractual situation as played out. Some SPMRs were not allowed to give 3 months notice - they had to stay on until a replacement could be found.
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Day 11 of the Bates v Post Office group litigation at the High Court Rolls Building. It's the last day of evidence for Post Office witnesses and the only day court sits this week. A lot of info has gone up on postofficetrial.com over the weekend. Enjoy. #postofficetrial
Live tweets start at 10.30am from court 26 of the Rolls Building.
Nine minutes to go before Day 11 of #postofficetrial gets underway. Very few members of the public in court today, none of the regular claimants (except Alan Bates). A full complement of claimants lawyers but no one at all from the Post Office - visitors or lawyers.
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10.01am Day 10 of Bates v Post Office - Michael Lee Shields from the Post Office is being cross-examined by Henry Warwick, counsel for the claimant Subpostmasters. #postofficetrial
Nothing written in this thread is a direct quote unless it is direct quotes.

For yesterday’s write up and live tweets - please go to postofficetrial.com
Michael Lee Shields (MLS) is a former postie and now a contracts advisor with the power to recommend suspension of Subpostmasters. He is being asked about the time he spent since 2015 organising temp SPMRs for branches where...
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Morning all. We are in court 26 of the Rolls Building awaiting the start of Day 9 of the Bates v Post Office common issues trial.
#postofficetrial
And we’re underway. Mrs Angela van den Bogerd being cross-examined by claimants QC Patrick Green. It’s her 7th hour in the witness box.
Public gallery much quieter than yesterday.
QC You would accept there are things that can be done to make Horizon more error repellent?
AB there are, yes.
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Making quite sure I don't miss the 10.30am start for Day 8 of Bates v Post Office at Court 26 of the Rolls Building.
Day 8 of this trial is expected to be entirely taken up with the cross-examination of Angela van den Bogerd, a Post Office director and most senior Post Office person at this trial. #postofficetrial
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