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Jul 2, 2021, 14 tweets

1/H

One of the leading SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracy theorists from DRASTIC, @TheSeeker268, has a new article. I want to focus on its discussion of miners since it shows how ridiculous conspiracists can be.





theweek.in/theweek/cover/…

2/H

Like many other aspects of lab leak conspiracy theories, the miners point was debunked for a year or more. But conspiracists peddle it anyway, hoping people are uninformed, or paranoid, or... enough to fall for it.



The point:

3/H

An obvious problem:
SARS-CoV-2 almost certainly did not come from RaTG13 (a.k.a. BtCov/4991), the mentioned coronavirus from the mine.

This has been known for at least a year.


4/H

The viruses are related cousins, not one descended from the other.

"the difference at neutral sites was 17%, suggesting the divergence between the two viruses [RatG13 and SARS-CoV-2] is much larger than previously estimated."
academic.oup.com/nsr/article/7/…

europeanreview.org/wp/wp-content/…

5/H

This creates a problem for conspiracists:
How can they use RaTG13 + the miners to prop up paranoia, if it's clear a lab didn't make SARS-CoV-2 from RatG13?

@edwardcholmes:
"SARS-CoV-2 was not derived from RaTG13."
sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/n…

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bi…

6/H

One tactic conspiracists settled on is to *lie.* They pretend they didn't insinuate SARS-CoV-2 came from RaTG13.

Problem with that is we know they said it, including saying it to me a year ago. We have the receipts. 🙂



7/H

Below DRASTIC member Rossana Segreto (@Rossana38510044) makes the insinuation to me, along with a link to an article where DRASTIC member Yuri Deigin (@ydeigin) makes the insinuation was well:

archive.is/cujN1#selectio…

8/Y

Alexander Panchin (@Scinquisitor) + Alexander Tyshkovskiy rebutted Segreto + Deigin's insinuation:

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bi…


Segreto + Deigin's responded by feigning shock that anyone would suggest they made that claim. 🙄

web.archive.org/web/2021063010…

9/Y

There's a laundry list of other problems with the "RaTG13 / Mojiang mine" narrative. I + others have pointed them out for over a year.

Credit to @viralphenomics in particular for his work on this.

drive.google.com/file/d/1kAHSEx…



10/Y

Particularly interesting is how conspiracists emphasize researchers looking at coronaviruses in the mine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…

Yet the conspiracists don't emphasize researchers looking at other pathogens in the mine.

I wonder why...🤔

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…

11/Y

So the next time you hear SARS-CoV-2 lab conspiracists act like they have some brilliant new insight the mainstream just won't address:

They're probably pretending + their point was likely already addressed multiple times.



researchgate.net/profile/G_Mich…

12/Y

Lab conspiracists really are like other science denialists.

And I forgot to mention another tactic:
Pretend there were papers saying SARS-CoV-2 descended from RaTG13.

Debunked in parts 3/H, 4/H, and 5/H. Hence why @TheSeeker268 can't support it.

13/Y

A 3rd tactic is to make the baseless claim that RaTG13 is fake.

This is a common trope among conspiracy theorists, and helps them evade falsification of their claims.

@johnfocook + @STWorg, page 7:
web.archive.org/web/2020082102…


14/Y

Re: "3rd tactic is to make the baseless claim that RaTG13 is fake.
This is a common trope among conspiracy theorists, and helps them evade falsification of their claims"

Can be done by JAQing off:

rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_aski…


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