Thread by @CEOofJobko

𝐋𝐎𝐋𝐈/𝐋𝐎𝐋𝐈𝐂𝐎𝐍 𝐀𝐍𝐃 𝐀𝐍𝐓𝐈 𝐌𝐄𝐆𝐀𝐓𝐇𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐃 𝐑𝐄𝐃𝐔𝐗/𝐑𝐄𝐌𝐀𝐊𝐄

𝐋𝐨𝐥𝐢/𝐋𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐨𝐧 ≠ 𝐂𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝/𝐏𝐞𝐝𝐨𝐩𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐞

𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐋𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐨𝐧?:
1/2 What is lolicon? Lolicon is someone who likes anime characters that share the qualities of “cute things/girls/roundness/girl-ness” in reference to “two-dimensional” “manga-like” and “anime-like characters”.

2/2 Concepts that are part of this, are that of “moe” and “bishōjo”, terms that emerged from the “lolicon boom”. However the term loli/lolicon has been “narrowed to more young-looking depictions”. This is where the controversy starts.

1/2 Mistranslations, misinformation, varied laws, and Western influence/views have tainted the term loli/lolicon. While this sub-genre of anime/manga/games has for the longest time been seen as “weird”,

2/2 as anyone who’d admittedly say they romanticize/sexualize fictional characters is not of a normal/society-accepted nature… It has now been twisted to fit a narrative, that these cartoon characters promote/or are pedophilia/pedophilic.

𝐌𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐥𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧:
Some people believe that because of Google Translate, that lolicon is pedophilia. However, “shōniseiai” is the translation of “pedophile”, not “lolicon” which is instead “feedback” from users. In Rev’s video he covers this very mistranslation issue:

𝐋𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐚:
The word 'loli' has its roots in a very famous book called 'Lolita', but although this book describes a taboo pedophilic relationship, Lolita is just a nickname for one of the characters. Lolita does not mean pedophilia - a common misconception.

𝐋𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐚 𝐅𝐚𝐬𝐡𝐢𝐨𝐧:
Lolita is also now being used as a term for a specific type of fashion popularized in Japan. "highly influenced by Victorian clothing and styles from the Rococo period" - in other words, not pedophilia related.

Source:
https://t.co/cz9b1SIKeDen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fa…

𝐀𝐠𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐅𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐂𝐡𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐜𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬:

1/3 Fictional characters do not exist within reality or time. They do not mentally develop, any age can be applied to them, we cannot study their prefrontal cortex/amygdala, consent or lack of consent is impossible with

2/3 them, they’ll never know anything of their existence. They can be dragons/succubi/gods. Real world implications of victimization, r*pe, emotional distress, m*lestation, do not apply to fictional characters. Simply, they do not exist, and therefore they exist outside of

3/3 morality and logic, and applying real world consequences of crime to them does not make sense.

Lolis can be any age, and loli is a specific look/visual.

“𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐠!”:
Youthful-looking attraction is not pedophilic. It’s the same reason we do not say that someone isn’t a pedophile/groomer, for going after a 13 year old who happens to look 18 or older. Pedophilia under the DSM-5 is described as such:

1/2 As you can see, pedophilia is specifically attraction to human children, 13 years or younger, with an age gap of at least 5 years, applying to those 16 and above. Some still might say “but they’re depictions of human children!”,

2/2 but unless the lolicon ALSO fits the DSM-5 definition, they simply are not a pedophile. The more correct term would be “fictosexual”, described as “sexual attraction towards fictional characters.”

Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictosexu…

“𝐁-𝐛𝐮𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐡𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧!”:

Height:

1/2 First of all, what part? Is it the height? There are a lot of women under 5 ft/151-152 cm. The average of a lot of countries is in fact between “148.1 cm (4 ft 10+1⁄2 in)” and

2/2 “157.8 cm (5 ft 2 in) “, with the tallest average being “171.8 cm (5 ft 7+1⁄2 in)”. This is the average, and of course with each average you’ll have people below or above the median/average, meaning A LOT of women in the world are actually the height of a loli!

Weight:

1/2 What about weight? The average female weight by country ranges from “49.8 kg (109.8 lb)” to “97.7 kg (215.4 lb)”. The majority being under “70.0 kg (154.3 lb)”. Now fictional weight is not always public for a character,

2/2 but as you can see by the averages, there are a decent amount of countries with more slender women, and in conjunction with height, a lot of petite women.

Hair:

Hair? Anywhere between 85% and 62.1% of women shave their pubic hair. A lot of women and men prefer it that way. While hair can be a sign of physical maturity, this simply does not fit the criteria of pedophilia.

Flat chest:

1/2 “They have a flat chest!”. “53 percent of women and 49 percent of men shared that they prefer a C cup”. A “C cup”, while not necessarily flat, isn’t necessarily big either (different dimensions have different looks). In fact,

2/2 the “average largest breast size” by country ranges from C to B. Most countries in the world in fact have an average of AA to A. So even among the average of some countries, a lot of women are getting discriminated against for perfectly normal breast sizes.

Sources:

Height:



https://t.co/HDCCQJUXgn

Weight:

https://t.co/zNUZz5u8J7

Hair:

https://t.co/v45MJ9lte0

https://t.co/IkAz80cmMK

https://t.co/SXqGbYPUmn

Flat chest:
https://t.co/bOg7UldBpy

https://t.co/iWvvH8xhlDen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_h…
medicalnewstoday.com/articles/32113…
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_bod…
self.com/story/turns-ou…
theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2…
jezebel.com/most-women-pre…
healthline.com/health/average…
worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankin…

To be continued...

𝐓𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐃𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐋𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐇𝐮𝐦𝐚𝐧:

1/2 This is all ignoring the fact that we are talking about fictional characters that don’t even look human. Their eyes are huge, they sometimes have no mouth or nose, usually no “imperfections”

2/2 (wrinkles, stretch marks, moles, freckles, dots, gradation), they have disproportionate bodies, wider hips, bigger thighs, but they still manage to have sometimes really thin waist, unnaturally thin arms… The list goes on.

𝐅𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐃𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐍𝐨𝐭 𝐀𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐑𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐲:

1/3 Studies show that violence in video games does not lead to violent behavior. So it then begs the question, why would taboo fetishes lead to real life equivalents?

2/3 Both “sex and violence share a number of common brain states”, so it’s not like sexual stimulation is so different from violent stimulation. If fictional violence does not lead to real life violence, then why would fictional fetishes?

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Sources:



https://t.co/zDzBkzxgZ7

https://t.co/D4pW1hvIQB

https://t.co/uSJ5ySNUJ4dana.org/article/do-vio…
sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/…
theguardian.com/games/2020/jul…
psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-ne…

𝐈𝐧 𝐟𝐚𝐜𝐭, 𝐜𝐫𝐢𝐦𝐞 𝐠𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐝𝐨𝐰𝐧 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐬𝐞𝐱𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐢𝐚𝐥 𝐠𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐮𝐩:

"Dr_William_Thompson_expert_report_-Met_v_Adamson_CSEM_&_Pedophilia"

Source: https://t.co/W08Izd8jA9drive.google.com/file/d/1iBwQY0…

𝐅𝐨𝐫 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐦𝐚𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧/𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞:
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Fiction Sources:



Education for the Purity Police:

https://t.co/K2lmOvPUdb

Lolicon: The Reality of ‘Virtual Child Pornography’ in Japan:

https://t.co/kysr21tycT / https://t.co/6qNRtaO6Wddocs.google.com/document/u/0/d…
drive.google.com/drive/u/0/fold…
imageandnarrative.be/index.php/imag…
doaj.org/article/f649c4…

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"Danish Report Discredits Link Between Cartoons and Child Sex Abuse":



"Report: cartoon paedophilia harmless":

https://t.co/tGLEK3P91ccbldf.org/2012/07/danish…
cphpost.dk/2012-07-23/new…

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Galbraith 2016:



McLelland, Mark 2011:

https://t.co/rRAWoXGOOs

Kittredge, Katharine (2014):

https://t.co/Hg4aGMYxXkresearchgate.net/publication/36…
ro.uow.edu.au/cgi/viewconten…
muse.jhu.edu/journal/301

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𝐋𝐚𝐰:

Sources:



https://t.co/vxbNH4lApy

https://t.co/mY7fzsiVMs https://t.co/zMJsO0csW7justice.gov/criminal-ceos/…
congress.gov/bill/108th-con…
law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18…

𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 "𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐮𝐢𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐛𝐥𝐞" 𝐦𝐞𝐚𝐧?:

Sources:



https://t.co/eB4GEC94e8 https://t.co/7p3yDBq1efjustice.gov/osg/brief/ashc…
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_sta…

𝐀𝐭𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐰𝐞𝐫𝐬 (𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐰𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐬 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐭𝐨𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐧’𝐭 𝐂𝐒𝐄𝐌):

Source:

https://t.co/E9w6StHva3avvo.com/legal-answers/…

𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐂𝐒𝐄𝐌?:

It’s Not Child Pornography, It’s Child Sexual Abuse Material:

https://t.co/1lExBp3mTVchildrescuecoalition.org/educations/its…

𝐀𝐝𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐬 𝐜𝐚𝐧 𝐥𝐨𝐨𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐧𝐠/𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐭𝐡𝐟𝐮𝐥:

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Asian Beauty Standards:

𝐀𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐠𝐨𝐨𝐝 𝐩𝐞𝐨𝐩𝐥𝐞:
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https://t.co/jZLg8gOZWu

https://t.co/71VgVHWJzk

https://t.co/fHKi6lkRBd

https://t.co/4DfpihlgVP

https://t.co/6iX4KSFxKN

https://t.co/GSnEyyyZMNarchive.fo/Ia5ZH
archive.ph/U23XK
archive.ph/yCjmE
archive.ph/nKtIB
archive.ph/AZkcG

drive.google.com/drive/folders/…

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Antis posting pictures of real children:

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𝐑𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐥𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐜𝐨𝐧/𝐥𝐨𝐥𝐢 𝐢𝐬 𝐚 𝐟𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐞𝐬 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩 𝐜𝐡𝐢𝐥𝐝𝐫𝐞𝐧:

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Sources:



https://t.co/170xQrXZRM https://t.co/hLmTkQrSpxjustice.gov/criminal-ceos/…
article19.org/resources/inho…

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𝐕𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐦𝐬 𝐝𝐨 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝐰𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩:

My Childhood Trauma is Not Your Moral Platform:



Link to Karma's thread which will touch on specific cases regarding victims:

https://t.co/ZC275be2yG https://t.co/nkV9O8FYlPmedium.com/@maybelle.redm…

Karma's thread: