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Good morning🌞- another hot & hazy Thursday in 🇭🇰. After a Trump Tweet meets a weaker Yuan fix, Asian central banks didn't stand by & slashed🔪rates (RBNZ -50bps, RBI-35bps, BOT-25bps). Today, we got the BSP & expect a 25bps cut w/ a RRR cut to add extra liquidity.

#CurrencyWar
China July trade data is out & expectations of a sharper contraction of imports & exports weak.

Note this: China using the current account as a 1st line of defense is boosting its trade surplus via REDUCTION OF IMPORTS & that is bad news for traders 👇🏻.

Trade relationship between the US and China & the amounts w/ tariffs so far (45bn left to retaliate) & the amount not yet by the US on China (300bn left) 👇🏻. Notice the asymmetric relationship & also the last tranche mostly consumer & capital goods so Trump'll tread gently.
Another way to look at it & decomposed by manufacturing & non. Notice the massive manufacturing bias for China vs the US & also remember that manufacturing PMIs for China are still contracting. Escalated tensions likely to impact China July export figures in USD.
Because China has only 45bn left to retaliate (it knows this). And because its retaliation so far trails the US imposition of tariffs (110bn vs 250bn) & b/c the relationship is asymmetric, it is using the CURRENT ACCOUNT AS A LINE OF DEFENSE.

What does that mean? IMPORTS DOWN👇🏻
Why imports? Let's go back to this concept of a J-curve. The idea is that if you DEPRECIATE your currency (the yuan) then, depending on elasticity of demand, your weaker currency should help w/ pricing power.

But that theory ignores one fact - MOST GLOBAL TRADE INVOICED IN USD👇🏻
China's use of the RMB for trade invoicing PEAKED in Q1 2015, roughly ~65 of total merchandise trade. And do u remember what happened in August 2015? Yes, depreciation of RMB vs USD. Since then, usage of USD trade invoicing has risen to ~85-90%. This's important & pay attention.
Let's pretend u are a manufacturer in Guangdong. Ready?
Costs are: Fixed & variable & in CNY. May import some inputs for production but China uses mostly domestic goods except commodities (Trump's beef is that as China expands it export market globally, it imports less from RoW).
Price in USD to ur foreign customers.
Scenario1: CNY depreciates by 10% & tariffs go up say 10%.
Costs in CNY goes up by less b/c ur import content not so high but there is upward costs to fixed costs such as rent etc by 5%. Translates this into USD & costs of production cheaper
BUT, don't forget that u gain 10% in FX since last yr, but ur inputs in CNY don't stay constant & they go up say 5% so ur net is only up 5% & so in USD ur costs of production goes down by 5%. But tariffs are up 10% on the USD prices. To be competitive u have to discount in USD!
Tariffs are paid by importers (Americans & they are ur BIGGEST CUSTOMER 16-20% of market). But the importers VIEW UR PRODUCTS AS 10% more expensive vs. the others if prices same as last year in USD. Input costs lower but output has to be DISCOUNTED EVEN MORE & margin squeezed!
So the way Chinese manufacturers cope is by DISCOUNTING THEIR PRICES IN USD & passing on the SAVINGS to their American customers (this is why you don't see PCE in the US going higher). In the process, the margin they make on these products are LOWER despite savings in input costs
The DEPRECIATION OF THE CNY is helpful to lower INPUT COSTS & that means that if there weren't any tariffs, a Chinese exporter can get a boost if there aren't any tariff & may choose to either pass on the savings to be competitive or not but the savings less than FX depreciation.
This is why the Chinese government wants to expand usage of RMB in trade invoicing. But the fact is that MOST TRADE IS INVOICED IN USD. And that has implications in the PASS-THROUGH OF FX to the economy. Note that I haven't even touched trade financing, which is also in USD.
What is the macroeconomic implication of the dominance of the USD in trade-invoicing in China? The PASS-THROUGH OF FX IS THROUGH IMPORTS.

A 10% weaker CNY (not to mention a multitude of tax incentives passed recently to help w/ domestic market) means LESS IMPORT FROM WORLD.
You will see this today for the July figure & we already know that from the year-to-date figure of sharper contraction of imports (exports not doing great but domestic producers being helped by less competition).

Something else - the RMB REER is much lower than in 2015. So?
What is a REER? It is a summation of a trade-weighted FX (so say CNYUSD, CNYEUR, CNYKRW, etc) that is deflated by relative CPI. FX strategists/economists use this as a more comprehensive valuation of FX as USD just shows vs USD not other partners.

USD/CNY shows USD appreciating
Are you ready? This is the implication of China sheltering its economy through the current account (imports down): Asian exports are DOWN, especially key traders like South Korea.

Why are they down? Because South Korea depends on China for demand & that market is SHRINKING👇🏻
So the FX policy implication of this, and this is OLD NEWS, is that the Won can't appreciate against the YUAN (I wrote a report on this in 2016) & why you see the KRW DEPRECIATING MORE THAN THE CNY.

Why? Because it can't stand idly by & just watch its external market shrinking.
The mid-rate fix is 7.0039 today (lowest since 2008) & that means max it can weaken onshore is 7.143 (+2% & -2%). Okay, what do you think the trade figure will be? My guess is NOT PRETTY & watch the IMPORTS.

#CurrencyWar
The winner of Japan-Korea tensions, US-China tensions, weak domestic demand thanks to Moonomics & high household debt & low fiscal stimulus, weak global growth, China sheltering its domestic market using the current account as a 1st line of defense (fiscal + FX) is:

BOND🙇🏻‍♀️🥇💪🏻💪🏻
China July exports +3.3% vs expectations of -1% from -1.3% in June & IMPORTS CONTRACTED -5.6%YoY in USD.

Yes, trade surplus ballooning on weaker imports. With the CNY weaker, don't expect import demand to rise.
My guess is a lot of front-loading before the remainder of the tariffs go up (+300bn tariffs 1 September) & that is a key driver of the higher surplus with the US.
Front-loading will be even more intense in August, before the 1 September deadline of 10% of 300bn goods.
Details of China contraction of imports (-5.6%YoY) by destination:
USA -19.1% 🥶
Canada -23.6%🥶
Japan -13%🥶
South Korea -20.1%🥶
Singapore -2.9%🥶
EU -3.3%🥶
UK -22.4%🥶
Germany -7.5%🥶

Hong Kong up +19.9%
Details of China EXPANSION of exports (+3.3%YoY):
USA -6.5% (down but not as much as imports by China of American products)
Canada +6.5% (note that Chinese demand of Canadian is DOWN)
Japan -4.1%
South Korea +9.3%
Taiwan +19.9%
Singapore +11.6%
EU+6.5%
UK +9.1%
Germany +5.8%
Putting this together:
a) China exports to the USA contracts but by less than US exports to China as Chinese exporters likely discounted products (thanks to a weaker CNY) to offset tariffs
b) China exports to RoW rise as a weaker CNY helps w/ input costs
c) China IMPORTS CONTRACT
The big story of the year is:

China using the current account as a first line of defense & that story is especially more salient as the CNY weakness quickens. This has global implication b/c the stabilization of China comes at a great costs to exporters (less Chinese demand)👆🏻

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Aug 1
Guys, let's do it. All things Trump tariffs. Here we go. First, let's talk about the basics. 10% is the floor as in everyone gets that. And these are the economies that get higher than that:
15% (EU, Japan, South Korea and 33 countries: Angola, Botswana, etc.)
18% (Nicaragua)
19% (Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, Thailand)
20% (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Vietnam)
25% (Brunei, India, Kazakhstan, Moldova, Tunisia)
30% (Algeria, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Libya, South Africa)
35% (Iraq, Serbia)
39% (Switzerland)
40% (Laos, Myanmar)
41% (Syria)
In Asia, it looks like this. Excluding China and Myanmar, Laos, India got the highest - 25% and maybe more.

China is waiting for talks on extension. Right now, it's 10% reciprocal + 20% fentanyl during extension + 25% during Trump 1.0

Southeast Asia gets 20% to 19% except Laos & Myanmar at 40%, Brunei is 25% but energy is exempt so...Image
India original was 26% so 25% seems bad but frankly not too far from the Southeast Asians. That being said, India was aiming closer to 15% as Vietnam got dropped from 46% to 20%.

Anyway, let's talk about details of the White House info.

It goes into effect 7th August. But if you got stuff in ports/front-loading and not yet consumed till 1 October, there are varied rates for them.

Long story short, there is still time to negotiate this down before it goes into effect basically.Image
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Jul 30
Trump tariff strikes India at 25% plus Russian oil import punishment. Is it a surprise? Not exactly. I have been thinking for a week what a US India deal look like. And to be honest, I think I saw this coming. I think India can negotiate down from this threat btw. It's not final. But how much lower and what are the costs?
Why is it not a surprise that India is not getting the deal that it is working hard on?

First, let's look at the EU and Japan - they got smacked with 15% tariff & got reprieve for auto (and other sectors) but auto is key at 15%.

So 15% is the best India can get. And it won't get it. Why? Well, it has to offer a lot to Trump to get that and it won't.
Remember that this is just a threat (similar to what Trump did with Japan before they settled on a lower number) and the threat I suppose can be real or not. Irrespective, he cares about it enough to post about it.

Trump has a few agendas that he wants India or Modi's help with.

Ending that Ukraine War is one. And India is not interested in that. It's an emerging country that buys where it can cheapest.

Russian oil is cheapest & so it buys from Russia & Trump wants to starve Russia of oil revenue. India doesn't want to not buy the cheapest oil possible. Besides, Russia is neither a foe nor a friend.

Maybe the West's foe but not India. So on this point, very hard. What are the costs to India? Well, it will have to pay more for its oil if it doesn't buy the cheapest oil.

Trump is adding to that costs - tariff.
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Jul 28
India imported 15,000 cars a year. Why? It has 110% tariff on autos. Now, trade negotiations are not going well and it's approaching the WTO on Trump's 25% auto tariff.

But the reason is simple. India exports more than it imports autos. Why? It has pretty high tariff on auto.

What would an India trade deal look like then? Is there going to be one?Image
What's interesting is that the UK and India signed a trade deal that is supposedly a huge game changer.

Let's take a look at it.

Under the agreement, tariffs on imports of internal combustion engine (ICE) cars will be slashed to 30-50% in the first year of implementation, but with the benefit limited to a quota of 20,000 cars.

The tariffs will be reduced gradually, and after 15 years, they will become 10 per cent, with the quota set at 15,000 units. For out-of-quota imports of ICE cars, the duties are reduced to 60-95 per cent in the first year, and further to 45-50 per cent from the tenth year onwards.
So on the surface, it looks like a big deal but the quotas are so tiny that it makes one wonder.

Of course, relative to annual import, quotas are HUGE as it is MORE than annual import.

But why do people care so much about US 25% auto tariff but don't care so much about India's 110% auto tariff?

Well, because the US imports 8m cars EVERY YEAR.

Look at the big deal that is the UK and India trade deal liberalization. There is a limit in quota.

The quota that the US sets for the UK is 100,000. So in other words, the US remains a big deal and one that needs to be negotiated with.
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Jul 16
Reading this article with great amusement with tons of comments that are so emotional & not backed by why. And they all seem so surprised on outcome. I have been saying this all along - the pass-through of tariffs are not as you think it will be. Why? Because you need to understand how they work & who has the negotiating power.

First, this statement here: "China’s retaliatory tariffs on American imports, the most sustained and significant of any country, have not had the same effect, with overall income from custom duties only 1.9 per cent higher in May 2025 than the year before."

ft.com/content/82e32f…
I mean, it seems to admire China's retaliation, as in it, that is the great thing to do.

Why didn't China collect more import duties even though it retaliated?

Well, because China is not GROWING its imports. It's exporting its deflation.

So its retaliation doesn't have as much "meat" so to speak. They need to sell more than they need to buy.
"But despite US tariffs hitting levels not seen since the 1930s, the timidity of the global response to Trump has forestalled a retaliatory spiral of the kind that decimated global trade between the first and second world wars."

They are so upset at the world for not retaliating. You can sense that in the usage. But remember, the US is a lot of countries' number 1 export market.

So you are not going to PISS off your #1 customer. It's just that simple. Why? Because a lot of countries just don't want to be powering their GROWTH via GROWING IMPORTS.

So what? Well, you then be captive to your "customer". You can always sell somewhere else.

Remember that India got like TONS OF TARIFFS. No one says much. They just say, well, they just tariff Indians & make it expensive for them to buy. Do they retaliate with the same tariff? No. They can, but why would you match someone's policies.

These are Trump's policies on US IMPORTS. You can also TAX your own imports. Btw, MANY COUNTRIES DO.
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Jul 9
Let's talk about India today. I'll be on @CNBCi at 11am HKT to discuss this particular issue.

First, we all know that India is amongst the least trade exposed and least exposed to the US amongst the big traders.

That being said, the US is the MOST lucrative export market and one it MUST grow if it wants to GROW OUTWARD AND UPWARD through trade.

Why? Look at China PPI today - it's is -3.6%YoY. Look at the Chinese yuan. It is not appreciating like crazy versus the USD. So what? China manufacturing is TOO competitive and will COMPETE with India so exporting to China is not a HIGH MARGIN BUSINESS.

That is the same for everyone who is a big trader. China is a competitor. So fierce that even the Chinese government is struggling w/ this onshore deflated PPI situation so you can see why foreign competitors are pissed off.
First, let's zoom in - India's export as a share of GDP is roughly 2.5% of GDP in 2024. As mentioned, 0.8% is exempted now (pharma, electronics etc). But EXEMPTIONS ARE TEMPORARY. Today, we got threats of 200% tariffs on pharma for example.

Anyway, 1.3% of GDP faces 10% tariff now that will go up to 26% by 1 August if not successfully negotiated down.

India is not too exposed by Trump auto and steel but still somewhat.Image
Let's look at top 15 exports to the US.

#1 PHARMA, currently exempted but faces sectoral tariffs of a lot.

Look at what India exports to China - ZERO. Zero pharma. 3bn to the EU and 9bn to the US.

So here, you can see that INDIA NEEDS A DEAL.

You can go through all the sectors. Note something. In phones, the EU is a bigger market than the US. Yes 8bn vs US 7bn.

But the EU is not a country but made up of 27 countries. So the US is the LARGEST market by a long shot.

Look at all the ZEROS for China for top items. Not a good market for India.Image
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Jul 8
Good morning,

As promised, here is a thread on Trump trade war and what Asian countries are going to do or shall I say who has more room to give Trump a deal than others.

@Trinhnomics interview at 17 mins. Image
First, let's start with one certainty: Trump tariffs are higher, and they are on sectors (50% steel, 25% alum, 25% auto & more under study), countries (China 20% fentanyl, Canada & Mexico 25% fentanyl w/ USMCA qualified products 0%, and of course 10% reciprocal tariffs on everyone w/ extension ending 1 August for everyone & China 9 August.

Okay, so what?Image
Okay, let me first discuss the below chart that summarizes the impact on Asia and why different economies will have different negotiating priorities with the Trump administration.

First, big picture. Exports to the US as a share of output (GDP) of respective countries.

Vietnam is the most exposed by a long shot to the US. And that explains why Vietnam was most motivated to climb down from that 46% level to 20% now (40% for transshipment - we discuss later).

Exports to the US was 30% of GDP in 2024. Yep, that high. Good news? more than 10% of GDP was already exempted as Vietnam's largest export was electronics, namely phones, and thus that was exempted.

The rest enjoy 10% until 1 August and then 20% tariff. On a sectoral level, Vietnam faces 50% on steel and 25% on auto but as a share of total, not a big deal, even if not good for those sectors.Image
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