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Aug 27, 2019 14 tweets 4 min read Read on X
I am among those trying to figure out Trump’s China trade strategy.

Like most I am confused. Trump’s latest escalation was formally a response to China’s latest round of tariffs. But China’s tariffs, in my view, basically confirmed that China has run out of good targets.

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The incremental costs to the U.S. of the trade war right now are essentially coming from Trump’s own tariffs. And I suspect that undermines the United States' leverage.

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UBS thinks that China added about $10b in new products to its tariff lists, so its tariffs now cover $100b rather than say $90b of its $150b in imports from the U.S. (based the Chinese number for imports from the U.S.)

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China also raised the tariff rate a bit, but that’s largely irrelevant. China has already proved, tariff or no tariff, it can shut down certain U.S. imports if it wants to.

(Crude supposedly wasn't hit by tariffs last fall ... )

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Remember that in 3 of the 4 largest goods exporting sectors, the market for U.S. exports is essentially China’s state. The state airlines. The state oil and gas companies. And the old state ag and oilseed import monopoly. Gives China some unique tools (like it or not)

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Autos are the exception: they are sold to private buyers. & China did raise its tariffs there – but that cannot have surprised the Trump administration.

China lifted the auto tariffs it imposed last fall to help facilitate the negotiations. They were an obvious target.

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Basically, China had to go back to the sectors it tariffed heavily after the initial U.S. tariffs last summer/ fall – it didn’t come up with any new targets. The incremental impact on (already modest) U.S. goods exports to China will likely be minimal.

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The Trump Administration by contrast has basically doubled its total tariff on China in the last month – going from 25% on $250b ($62b) to 30% on $250b and 15% on $270b ($112b). The just pay it cost of the China tariff has increased to around a half point of U.S. GDP.

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And by definition, if the USTR picked its tariffs rationally, the last round of tariffs will have the highest cost to the U.S. – China is basically the sole supplier (for now) of most of the goods on the final $170b (December) list.

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Of course, with time (as Paul Krugman notes), firms will adjust. But until there is clarity on whether or not the tariffs are permanent, such investments don’t make sense. That’s a big part of the damaging uncertainty.

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The thing is, China likely knows this – the easiest path for Trump give the economy a bit of a boost in an election year is, in a sense, to declare victory in the trade war and come home. (h/t @geoffreygertz)

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@geoffreygertz Reversing the last two rounds of U.S. tariff escalation would likely put about a quarter point of GDP back into consumers’ pockets in an election year ...

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@geoffreygertz Bottom line: President Trump obviously thinks he gains leverage by his willingness to escalate and hit back hard. But that isn’t at all clear to me.

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@geoffreygertz Last note. There are much more advanced ways of estimating the cost of tariffs than the "just pay it" cost. But a lot of them end up converging toward the simple back of the envelope calculation tax hike impact. Offsetting effects and all.

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Jan 14
A few words on China's demand for US assets (or the last of visible demand for US assets) based on the q3 BoP data. The old rule of thumb was bond inflows equal to China's surplus. The new rule of thumb is no flows and no correlation ...

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Even adjusting for Euroclear (part owned by the PBOC incidentally) and short-term holdings, there is no visible net flow from China into the US bond market over the last 8 years ...

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And with China's reserves falling in China's BoP data (flow based) and the state banks not registering in the US data, there is no reason to think China's visible US portfolio should be increasing

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Jan 14
The April ("liberation day") tariffs prompted a brief wobble in the financial markets. The August tariffs didn't -- and that is reflected in the capital flow data in the BoP, which shows solid bond inflows into the US in q3

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The balance of payments data doesn't provide any detail on hedging -- but the total flow into US bonds has been pretty stable at a $600-700b annual pace. And (net) inflows into US equities have been unusually strong (and equity flows typically are not hedged)

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There was a bit of a shift from Treasuries to corporate bonds in the US data in recent quarters.

And in q3 the inflow into bonds of all kinds topped the current account (the big quarterly swings are from pharma and gold)

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Jan 14
Very strong December for China's auto exports. Vehicle exports for the month were close to 1 million -- and I estimate passenger car exports will come in at 850K for the month, or a 10m annualized pace

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The export numbers are so big that they obscure the fall in imports -- but that has also been impressive.

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And as this chart shows, the rapid development of the export sector (net exports of passenger cars were zero in 2020, and will be ~ 6.5m in 2025 with a much higher number for q4) has driven the overall increase in China's auto production, not d demand

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Jan 14
How did China manage to raise its (customs) trade surplus by $200b to close to $1.2 trillion (and by more in volume terms) even amid the US trade war?

Well, part of the answer is a big rise in its surplus with Europe

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China's total surplus with Europe, in dollar terms, topped the pandemic surplus ... as Europe's exports to China have stalled and China's export to Europe keep on rising ...

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China's surplus with the US is way down (+30% on tariffs til November did have an impact) as China's exporters knew what to expect and were ready it seems ...

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Jan 12
A new blog, on the challenges China now faces as it manages renewed pressure on its currency to appreciate

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cfr.org/blog/chinas-cu…
I of course think that China should allow its currency to appreciate -- the yuan is absolutely very weak (see the PPP comparisons) and, in real terms, it is about as it weak as it has been in the last 15 years while China's trade surplus is at an all time high

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And I don't think the magnitude (and breadth) of China's sustained export outperformance (in volume terms) over the last two plus years can be explained w/o reference to the yuan's real depreciation in 22/23

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Jan 9
Taiwan's surplus is going through the bloody roof

$15b in December works out to $175b a year annualized
the surplus in 2024 was already large -- yet it was "only" around $50b

AI bubble or not, that is a ton cash

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for the year, Taiwan's surplus will more than double -- from ~ $50b to over $100b. and the q4 surplus annualized is WAY higher, at around $175b. That is a crazy number for a country that already had a bit external surplus and has a lot of investment income

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In a sane world, the massive increase in Taiwan's trade surplus would lead to a stronger Taiwan dollar

But that isn't what is happening. The lifers, with $700b in foreign assets, are hedging less & that generates a flow that pushes the TWD down

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