The city is considering renovating this to consolidate three city buildings: Two in the high hazard flood zone and one that's leased for $1M/yr.
Customers come to 22 locations in Boulder to do business with the city.
"It's in those areas we see savings to help fund implementation."
17% come in on Arapahoe (Highway 7)
54% come in on U.S. 36
Another consolidation out east makes sense, but only in the longer-term, staff argues. "We're more or less on borrowed time" with the buildings in the flood zone: New Britain and Park Central.
$227-$275 per square foot just in construction.
It's a good investment cost-wise and to meet energy goals.
2025 for sure; 2023-2024 "might be a little optimistic"
"That's pretty good bc my leases have been increasing more than that," Weaver says. "That's a conservative number."
Attorney David Gehr: It's the height of the building.
No answer for that bc they don't know what services might go there.
"It" being reaching our goals for building energy use.
Audience claps; Morzel reminds them they can't. Jones restates them: No booing, no clapping.
Crane: We have about 1,000 staff in total, so when we really looked at impact of staff moving, it wasn't an enormous factor.
Meschuk: We were looking at that, but council gave us direction to not locate there and to look at Alpine Balsam for city services.
Crane: There's not a ton for 93K sq ft.
Yeah, cuz Boulder (and this council) hates big office buildings, remember?
(P.S. I hate that I don't know all of staff's names, esp. ones I've interviewed on the phone. But there's so many of them!)
Neighborhood Center and South along Broadway: MU-1
South of Alpine: MU-1 and MU-2 (that's mixed-use)
This is in regards to the shopping centers there.
Gatza: No. But we would be exploring that.
Gatza: Not yet.
Jones: Not yet? You mean no?
Gehr: It does signify an area of change.
City's inclusionary housing rules apply.
Gehr: There is flexibility in our site review, so they could do a lot. But that process includes historical preservation, so that would be taken into consideration.
Jones: So for example, you could build what?
Gehr: Housing, office, retail
Gehr: The difference comes down to zoning. You would shape that and "set objectives" for the property.
Apologies; I've been saying BC, not CB. UGH!
I'm sorry if you are confused; I might be a bit.
City Site w/o Boulder
• City Site w/ Boulder
• Alpine-Balsam Area:
Total Range: 370-640
Transit area implemented in 2007; still being built out.
So we're talking long time frames here, Gatza says.
Gehr: It can, and you can have a time component of when you want change to occur.
Gatza: Maybe. We need some flexibility.
Crane: We know we haven't accommodated all of our city needs. This allows us to keep assessing.
Gehr: I don't think so.
Young: Would there be limits under these zones?
Gehr: Correct. That's part of the visioning.
Their preference is to do a 120,000-sq-ft building along Alpine, west of Pavilion, across from MHP
Would reduce potential housing on the site by 90 units
Would reduce parking on the site for other development almost entirely
City Site: Greater intensity in West Block to allow more
families or households direct access to proximity of North
Boulder Park (swap intensity with center block) and allow up to 4 stories....
• Encourage limited ground floor uses along frontage of park (maybe some small retail like a cafe or ice cream shop)
• Focus future zoning on excellent public realm, building form, not dwelling units per acre
Audience is not pleased with that. City has already said it would like to preserve those, bc there is demand.
While that's easier with free land, it really depends on funding, methinks.
Butler: We'd like to get it down to three.
"It's a complicated site:" ballfields, flood, historic buildings.
County is about 3 most from IDing top 3 sites; public engagement will be 9 mos.
Morzel: Last time you were here, you said you needed 400
Morzel: You did.
Butler: Idk if we need 320. All employees at Broadway/Iris drive. But our downtown employees, maybe 30% of them drive.
It's challenging for us to get on 8.8 acres, Young said.
Someone else from BoCo taking this: We wouldn't do an area plan bc it's not our jurisdiction, but we'd do a process you'd require of any developer.
Krezek: (kinda long answer) but maybe less than a year...? "We'd have to come together" with city to figure it out.
Krezek: Aspiration is for 100% affordable, but haven't thought that far.
Krezek: Maybe. I can't answer you, Bob.
Yates: It's important bc you're asking us to approve a plan here, we'd be losing 90 units.
Krezek: Those economics haven't been worked out. But I assure you county isn't expecting to get land for free.
But she is making some points about how these proposals are denser than the Holiday neighborhood, which often gets referenced.
Yin: It could be apartments or offices. Depends on what the city's needs are.
I don't understand why council is asking qs about this. It's a citizen proposal that includes re-use of the hospital, which staff has already said doesn't make sense.
Yin: "I did not try to make them conform to a city land use prototype."
Urling: You said I could finish this sentence?
Weaver: You finished one.
(He got to finish a few more.)
Which I feel kinda proves how shitty the process was, but that's just me.
But Boone is saying staff intentionally mislabeled building heights in the area and misrepresented them to council.
She's asking for data on positive benefits of density.
But apparently not instructions to represent information accurately and with context.
Hancock: Everything 35 feet except for the Pavilion.
Weaver: What about another story on Pavilion. Is that a problem for your group?
Hancock: Probably. No four-story building.
I can't with these ppl.
Funny enough, she says in talking to ppl in the area, some of them said "The city would never do that." UM, THEY'RE RIGHT. That's not what's being proposed.
At least some of the Think Boulder ppl have actual facts. C'mon, do better.
Bro, I got mad links.
I *think* he's in favor of the plan?
"This is not just a question of whether we should grow, or how we should grow."
He doesn't own a car.
Frommer: This was the second; we did the first one in Austin. We'll do more.
Frommer: I'd love to do Denver next.
Weaver bringing up my story about the timing of the report's release and the elections.
Frommer: We don't mention election, candidates.
Weaver: Not inside you don't.
Frommer: To me it's about the issues. I want everyone to care about it, the candidates to care about it.
Frommer: It did.
Morzel: Idk about that.
OMG she's questioning the author of the report. Also, I read it, it was in there.
Brockett and Jones trying to get council back on track.
"Maybe preference could be given to residents who don't need 1 or 2 cars."
No, LeBlang says. Current zoning would allow for housing on top of the shopping market. I heard someone say the other day, "Don't get too used to Ideal bc it's going to be torn down." I've got 12- and 14-yr leases in place.
LeBlang: It's mixed-use BC-2, now.
Weaver correcting him.
LeBlang: I probably don't understand that fully.
"The vitriol that has reached a level that feels like an impasse." Asking to do some design groups, or some working group with neighborhood representatives.
Young thanks Prentiss for her "tone and willingness to collaborate."
Prentiss: I'm not necessarily saying Think Boulder needs a seat at the table. I'm saying neighbors should have a seat in the table.
It's 11 p.m.! Why are they still here?
"All of us who participated in this area plan did so in good faith. We understand solution seeking is the way forward, not fist-pounding and yelling."
I'd love to see those numbers, bc I don't think I've seen our per capita carbon footprint anywhere..? Unless I'm just forgetting.
I always resent white ppl using Native words to warn against destruction of "our" community.
He walked to the hospital for the birth of his child, and walked home with the baby.
Brockett: We have 1.5 hr, 2 hrs of discussion...