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The test and trace system is still bit leaky. We need data on people isolating. People are finding it hard to isolate for personal and financial reasons. 
England has 9 new cases per million people on average. Indie Sage want to see zero cases like New Zealand.
Elimination is the quickest way to open up the economy. England is nine times too high for this at the moment.
There are stark differences between the different regions of the UK. England is far behind Scotland, Wales and Ireland.
Scotland has been more careful in opening up. WE need a slow cautious approach to reopening with clear public messaging.
Scotland has far higher level of trust in its government. This is clearly a factor.
The tenfold differences between England and Scotland in deaths is very worrying. There is a strategy for the economy but we cannot see the strategy for the virus.
We won't be able to respond to flareups effectively unless we find, test, trace and isolate.
We invite the UK government to set out exactly what its strategy is for Covid 19 because we can't see that in place at the moment.
If you are older and particularly male, exercise in the park or at home rather than in the gym.
It is clearly too soon to be opening gyms. We have to wait 3 - 5 weeks to see the impact of opening pubs and restaurants. Professor Pagel.
We should be busting a gut to help young people have a healthy, happy summer out of doors.
In China, research showed a lot of aerosol spread of the virus in gyms. These aerosols can stay in the air for 3 - 14 hours. That's not safe in a gym environment.
The virus stays on steel for 48 hours. That's a huge risk in a gym.
A recent study in Hong Kong showed that most infections were from mask-off indoor settings such as restaurants and gyms. Our ministers should be setting the example with that.
The increasing evidence for aerosols shows that we need mass education and training in wearing masks.
Leicester is still in lockdown. There chancellor certainly forgot about their businesses in his mini budget this week. The government have walked away from Leicester.
Leicester may be in lockdown for longer than two weeks. There is no data to say when they may come out. FTTIS needs to be happening there but it is still centralised so they do not have the local data.
A report has come out on Leicester that is a devastating indictment of the way the government has handled tech lockdown. The mayor has shared this report that shows pillar 2 data is not aggregated by ethnicity or workplace. Leicester has a majority ethnic minority population.
Lockdown is a punitive term and suggests that people have done something wrong. This is what we're seeing in Leicester. There is no support for people who should isolate. We need to change both the word and the policy.
Whether by touch or airborne, the virus is till more likely to spread indoors. Facemasks must be used.
Weighing up all the options, we know that the concern with aerosol transmission is that smaller particles stay in the air for longer so that is most relevant indoors.
The WHO have released a good report on aerosol transmission this week. There is growing evidence that airborne transmission does contribute.
As far as weddings go, consider the age profile of guests, ventilation - a marquee is much less risky - and how will food and drink be served. Perhaps guests can wear wristbands to indicate how much they want to socially distance.
Air conditioning is an ongoing area of research. American states that rely heavily on AC have all had surges.
The best air conditioning is a breeze through open windows.
Who is going to assess the safety of gyms, pubs, hairdressers. Whose job is it look at these places? Guidance needs to be implemented and systems of checks need to be set up. I'm not aware that these are in place.
We are the only group of experts that are open to criticism and questions from the public and the media. This is a major part of our exercise.
We are at a fork in the road. A major new outbreak would yield many more deaths and we have to avoid taking that risk at all costs.
Deaths and hospitalisations are a lagging indicator. New infections also tend to be more in young people now who are less likely to need hospitalisation.
We're not a miserable lot. If things undermine public health we will be critical but we will praise positive practices. We're still seeing two jumbo jets worth of people being killed every week. We aim to be constructive. We could be doing so much better.
This is about life and death and we want to help save as many lives as possible.
We are adding meat on the bones to the discussion.
We talk about cases and deaths but we understand little about the long term consequences of even a mild infection. It's not sufficient to say that there are fewer people dying so it's ok to have fewer people infected.
We do have an equal concern for the health of the economy and we are emerging as one of the worst countries in the world for the economic hit.
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