@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice Right but you're fixating on this "state" crap because you're trying to shoehorn your dipshit philosophy into this.
All rules are enforced by guns, all organizations are hierarchical, the mob itself is an archon, the commune is an extended form of private property.
All rules are enforced by guns, all organizations are hierarchical, the mob itself is an archon, the commune is an extended form of private property.
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice It's dawned on me. I'm writing about the universities and how you can't rely on structure and organization to deal with human foibles, and that's basically it. You're looking for some sort of organizational remedy to people being shitty. But there is none.
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice And all this blabber you guys have about "the state" and "hierarchy" - it's just symbol manipulation and fixation on formal structures. Call it "trade" or "wage labor" - whatever. People can get screwed on deals, there's no formula to define it or stop it.
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice You work the land - your product gets taken by the state, or a lord, or maybe a mob council whateverthefuck in a "stateless" society with some kind of council deciding laws and enforcing them with guns. But it's just people, the agreed upon system doesn't matter much.
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice I mean it can. North Korea vs. South Korea. I simply don't see the idea of "no state" as being meaningful. But also I don't know what you in particular mean by "anarchy". When I pushed "anti-statism" I recognized the state as a central law-making authority.
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice And the only meaningful definition of statelessness is the decentralization of law-making (and enforcement). But then that kinda runs the gamut - there are degrees of decentralization and centralization. Or degrees of "statism".
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice But then what's the point of full-on "anarchism"? Just anomy? It's not a binary thing. There are always rules, rules are always enforced with violence to the point of killing if needed. But then if you're against hierarchy and wage slavery - okay what is trade?
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice And when does trade become wage labor become wage slavery? What about payment for defense - is that a fee for a servive, a tax, or expropriation by the nobles? It's just symbol manipulation. There's no formula for anything, and there's no organizational solution to "problems".
@Papergami45 @Ando2448 @DNotyour @powerm1985 @MikePsJuice In the end, Lenin got it and I think the view from power caused him to doubt all the clean philosophical formulas from Marx. Lenin was allowing limited markets and started saying "Who? Whom?" instead of Marxoid "principles" and formulations.
