Sorry for the delay. Thread on Waste and my thesis:
Waste is broken down in 3 segments:
Recycling, Disposal & Collection
Disposal is still in early innings (maybe 3rd) of consolidation
Collection is also maybe 3rd inning (60% vs 40%)
Collection = high margin asset light
Disposal & Recycling = high margin asset-heavy
Collection is where you want to play -> Service based = recurring ebitda
Disposal & Recycling is more cyclical and capital heavy -> Weight based billing = not recurring ebitda
As you can see from Republic Services: contracts are long term in service but not in weight-related segments of the company. Therefore, where you really want to play is purely service-related areas of this large 80bn market. Containers & Residential.
When containers are installed = servicer switch costs are high = very little turnover = good predictable recurring revenue
Disposal & Recycling have high fixed costs. I kept some notes from my ; but I assume costs are even higher now:
Therefore, in Disposal & Recycling, you are incentivized to keep volumes steady if you don't want to get hurt. Regulatory dynamics keep you protected but collectors really have the upper hand
So why have I allocated a large position in my rrsp?
I have kept in touch with several contacts from my time covering . The most important point they have shared with me is that new management is sleeping at the wheel. acquired over the years the best assets available while was focused on buybacks.
Pat Dovigi (who I remember playing hockey and getting drafted) built the most unique machine in the industry
As mentioned in the early part of this finthread, collection of containers and residential "pick-up" is the best area to play. These players generate higher-margin, have low fixed cost and predictable ebitda. And have upper hand on the disposal & recycling players(very important)
I am dumbfounded by the price reaction to this short seller report. I have read this report several times and it is easy to see that he has no comprehension of the waste business. Many waste contacts know that Pat is a strong opponent and his business is special:
Pat has the best revenue breakdown in the public market space (70% of his sales come from his collectors)!!!!
Capital expenditures run 5 to 7% of sales so if you get great cash flow margins and can have lots of leverage because these collectors have low turnover and good predictability
My valuation math:
-GFL: 11x ebitda
- republic 14x ebitda
so you are buying it at a discount to a business with a worse revenue breakdown and no growth!
they happen to be my collector too!!
last comment: was a very similar situation.The same Short seller wrote a Bullsh!t report about the business. If you bought it in November/decemeber like me. It was trading at a lower p/e than the us discount stores but had better management and better growth! that worked!
since some folks asked me about the differences between the big waste peers, here is a breakdown. As you can see, revenue mix is quite similar to but trades at an eye-popping discount. happy to have more constructive discussions with fellow owners or interested folks
Found this article in my notes. As you can see, when enters markets, just like , the acquisition strategy allows them to gain better efficiencies and win market share by sharing those efficiencies.
Did you know that our everyday waste has the potential to light up our homes?
Here's the incredible process of turning trash into treasure.
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When we put our garbage out on the curb for collection, we may not give much thought to what happens next. But the journey of our waste is a complex and often surprising process.
Understanding this process can help us make better decisions about how we manage our waste and reduce its impact on the environment.
Participated in an industry call this Am. It is obvious now that all municipalities will need to outsource waste collection to the big guys $GFL. Labor inflation hurting. Taxpayers will notice that municipalities operating own fleet are hemorrhaging cash. More wins coming $GFL.
In the US. ~20% of the industry is still Municipal. Should go to nearly 0% over time. Opportunity for solid waste winners with #scale
US + Canada is a $15 billion opportunity for scaled waste companies to replace municipal fleets. I expect $GFL to win more deals in the North East. $WCN to win the West. These deals are very high margin.
Thread - What I learned throughout my 25-year M&A career:
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My career in M&A was birthed through a series of serendipitous events that occurred in my mid-20s. At 24 years old, I met a charming girl while vacationing in South America. We were both celebrating our recent University graduations.
I had planned to visit for only a week but ended up spending 3 months with her exploring the continent. Fast forward 13 months, I was newlywed and packing my bags for Canada to move in with my wife and her family.