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Sep 4, 2020 9 tweets 3 min read Read on X
Should GI symptoms (abdo pain, diarrhoea, vomiting) be included in the case definition for #COVID19 in children?

Lots of questions prompted by a new paper from my colleague Tom Waterfield et al.

If only there were simple answers....

medrxiv.org/content/10.110…

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The question has come from this table, which found of children who tested positive vs negative for SARS-CoV-2 IgG, GI symptoms were associated with testing positive

You'll note the exact same is true of headache, which was just as common

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We've known for a long time COVID-19 can present with abdominal symptoms in both children and adults, although it may be slightly more common in children

Here only 20% of children with antibodies had GI symptoms; this is higher than cough (10%!) but lower than fever (31%)

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So should we use this in our case definition?

Well it's not an easy question

This study was in spring when GI bugs are at their lowest, so competing diagnoses were less prevalent. In winter, this may tip it out of favour as discriminating for COVID.

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We also need to know about symptom cross over; if 100% of children with GI symptoms also have fever, adding GI symptoms won't increase pick up but will add extra non-COVID patients to our basket (just more negative tests clogging the system)

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We are already nearly at testing capacity, so adding 1000's of children per week who vomit a couple of times over winter could completely collapse the system

Would they even test positive via NP/OP sampling?

Stool can test +ve for weeks, would they still be infectious?

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We quickly need a directive on the goal of targeted testing for children

50% are asymptomatic. Can we add in hundreds of thousands of tests for GI symptoms to pick up a handful of cases?

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Are we testing to;
- Get kids out of quarantine back in to school
- Pick up the most symptomatic or ?contagious cases
- Promote contact tracing
- ?other

We can't find them all; half have no symptoms, and the rest are very vague and cross over every other virus in children

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Also, do we need a different criteria in adolescents to younger children (<10y)?

Difficult questions which need careful thinking and planning - including estimate for burdens on capacity

Much to think about here. No quick solutions.

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Jan 11
A few interesting points of data which help us to evaluate some theories re Covid

1) RSV season is now ending in England with the most "normal" wave since the pandemic

Covid related immune problems causing more severe RSV is in the bin 🗑️

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2) Covid may be peaking (possibly plateauing) with the LOWEST prevalence (via mass testing survey) in all age groups being in school aged children

Schools being unsafe, children being disproportionately affected or spreaders of Covid is in the bin🗑️

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3) Covid infection to hospitalisation rate by far the lowest we've seen during the pandemic

We can totally bin the idea Covid infections become increasingly severe, or of a meaningful increase in severity from current variants 🗑️🗑️🗑️

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May 3, 2023
This article about masking and RCTs is extremely confused and appears to totally misunderstand everything about clinical trials

I will put to one side the dreadful title (which presumably the authors didn't choose) and explain some of the most important errors in thinking

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First of all, the idea Science "couldn't" produce the answers we needed is false

We are perfectly capable of producing high quality, relevant clinical trials in this area

We just didn't

There are no excuses for this, it's a massive failure

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Second, the idea that the RCTs asked questions they couldn't answer is also false

They set out to answer very specific questions, and they provided useful answers to those questions

If those are not the questions you WANT answered, then we need MORE trials to do that

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Jan 17, 2023
What's happening with GAS in the UK?

The surge has caused a great deal of anxiety and got a lot of attention

Quick update on the situation following new data and some great new analyses

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Updated data from UKHSA tells us a few things

Firstly, the data on scarlet fever is now not useful, as it basically just represents awareness

Probably massive overdiagnosis at the peak, no idea where it truly is now

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The data on invasive GAS (iGAS) is more useful as requires microbiological confirmation

Cases have been very high, but possibly flat or declining - difficult to know due to reporting lag, but this is the feeling on the ground

Case fatality still normal, most deaths >65y

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Jan 8, 2023
It may seem ridiculous this is even necessary, but it actually cuts to the heart of some of the major issues with messaging around mask use

Clearly these persist even today, which is remarkable

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Whilst the quality of the evidence around the impact of community mask use is really poor, it’s generally in favour of a modest impact

A *modest* impact

In fact, an impact which is generally imperceptible from statistical noise to the naked eye

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Claiming community masking would suddenly be the difference between vulnerable people being safe or unsafe is simply false

Whilst they may modestly impact population levels of infection, they have a negligible impact on any individuals absolute risk

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Dec 13, 2022
With everything going on, it can feel difficult for parents to know when to get their poorly child checked out

My most important tip is to check the AMAZING healthier together website (or app)

what0-18.nhs.uk

What follows are some general tips I give parents in ED

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Firstly, it’s normal for them to not be normal when poorly - because they’re poorly!

As a reference, remember when you last had a flu like illness and how you felt

That’s probably how they feel! They will behave accordingly

You’re looking for signs out of keeping with this

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Fever can make children look extremely unwell

If they perk up when the fever recedes, then they probably looked so unwell because of the fever - not because they have a serious illness

This is a reassuring sign - still looking very unwell when temp normal is more concerning

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Dec 4, 2022
Here is a totally uncontroversial thread about immunity to common pathogens as influenced by the pandemic

I will simply state facts

1. Rates of many commonly circulating pathogens almost completely vanished during the first 1 - 2y of the pandemic (eg Group A Strep)

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2. The reason these pathogens almost vanished was because transmission was reduced by the measures which were introduced around the world to reduce transmission of #SARSCoV2

This coincidently also reduced transmission of other pathogens, often even more successfully

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3. Because these pathogens commonly circulate, there is usually a relatively stable amount of population immunity to them, acquired by infection

4. Vastly reduced rates of infection will therefore result in lower levels of population immunity than prior to the pandemic

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