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Sep 13, 2020 11 tweets 3 min read Read on X
We have heard enough profit stories, let me tell my 80% Draw down story.

I was flying high of my early success in 2013 to 2016,
was published in Zerodha (400% in 3 months), Hindu Business Line article, On air with @AnilSinghvi_ for ITL return of 127 % in a single day.

contd..
I went from my initial X capital to 10X capital in 3 years, was going ruthlessly with the compounding and increasing my position size like crazy. But then law of averages caught up, Since i play swing overnight Nifty, there came the Brexit, 350 points gap down happened.

contd..
Being SAR Trader, I reversed the position to Short at opening, but nifty reversed on the same day, so my SAR hit me doubled that day,Lost almost 500 points m2m in a day, I used to trade one lot for 1.5 Lakh that time, so with one lot it was loss of 45k , 25% DD in a single day.
And I had yet to pay the income tax for FY 2016 too, which was the best year, and just a month prior I bought SUV too, With all those liabilities, capital came down to 5X from peak of 10X
Once you have that kind of DD in ur capital, its very difficult to trade the reduced size.
But i persisted and was kind of breakeven for few months until Demonitization hit me again in Nov 2016 :),Nifty gapped down 450 points,Squared off in panic,though it came up later but lost good sum of money again in a single day.
I seriously started doubting my skills and trading
With such big DDs, we tend to do many mistakes too, I overrode system, avoided few trades which could have made some money.

I was making losses but Personal expanses could not be stopped, so capital was coming down pretty fast... thought to have some alternative business.

contd
Within few months, I could built one subscription based business(Not related to Trading) and today my personal expanses are well taken care of with that business, given employment to 10 people with 1500 happy customers.
Trading mindset helped pretty much in setting up business.
So FY 2017 was a big negative year, FY 2018 was kind of breakeven as I was more focused on my alternative business but was still trading everyday,kept spending for personal expanses and Capital reduced to 2X (Peak was 10X in May 2016).
But persistance paid off and now i pulled my capital from 2X to 20X , I am not compounding ruthlessly now , reduced leverage and am trading one lot per 3 Lakh now.

what could not kill u makes u stronger. And today i have all those experiences under my belt.
I could survive of that kind of DD due to God's Grace and my persistance. but slight change of things and I could have left trading for ever.
My learnings
1)Do not do compounding ruthlessly, Keep withdrawing profits out.
2)Keep a check on your leverage, consider the worst case.
3) Be humble, Do not fly high, You never know what is in store next.
4) Have an alternative income source, but should not be related to trading.

Thanks for reading ....

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Oct 29, 2022
Just assume that you started with 1 crore capital and made profit of 1 Crore in one year.
Now the capital is 2 CR and you are doing ruthless compounding so the new position size is as per 2 CR.
You are on cloud 9, people are calling you for interviews and podcasts.

A thread:
1/n
Now You want to gift yourself new car at least, after all everyone is posting pics of Luxury cars.
So you bought an good car worth 25 Lakhs,that is still not a very high end car like Audi, Merc. You placed a withdrawal request and it brought your capital down to 1.75 Crore

2/n
And since you are now trading for a living, You also withdrew 2 lakhs per month for your livelihood,
after all when you are making a crore per year and living in a metro City, your child deserves a good school, You have to go to Dubai for shopping too :), Peer Pressure you See.
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Google is squeezing money from businesses as they r selling brand name keywords to all,eg-if i search policy bazaar, first ad link might be shown for “acko”,another insurance company.
It forces policy bazaar company to buy its own brand name keywords and pay heavy price. See pic. Image
So in the above example if i have to go to policy bazaar website, i will not go by second ad link as it will be charged per click basis to policy bazaar.
I will rather go to 3rd or 4th organic search result link of @policybazaar

Lets stop outflow money from india and retweet.
And @GoogleIndia , whats the point of SEO ,whats the point of organic search if u r selling brand names keywords too.

You have all the means to differentiate the brand names and generic keywords but making money is ur first priority than doing fair business.
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Master Thread of important tweets.
Most of them are Trading related tweets, but there are a couple of generic tweets too, where you are free to pass your judgement.🤣🤓
My DrawDown Story, I included my income tax and all of my living expanses in DD. Some people did not agree to it. So if it can not be called as Equity drawdown, then let me call it as networth Drawdown.

My take on Directional Trading vs Non-directional Trading, and also on Systematic vs discretionary trading.

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Jul 10, 2021
Many asked how trader mindset helped setting up businesss? Here I go:

1)Some skill based hustles are risk-free with Zero Captial Requirment,like creating a piece of software utility or Content-creation,and who can appreciate risk free ventures better than a trader.
Being a trendfollower,I have stopped worrying about the Trade outputs or even targets, Seeing M2m of 100 points only to see it zero later.

कर्म किए जा फल की इच्छा मत कर
I literally coded 16 hours a day for first 2 months without worrying about the fruitful results,Finally it did
Being a systematic trader,I always gave values to systems and processes,Without them,We can not scale.
You do not rise to the level of your goals. You fall to the level of your systems. @JamesClear
So,I made a lot of processes to ensure my presence is not needed for operations.
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Aug 2, 2020
Though majority of people appreciate my advanced levels of #nifty futures which I share in Telegram Link, Few people keep asking-"What's the learning in this,why don't You share d method?"

The day I will be leaving the trading, I can teach my method, but not before that.

Contd.
There are still many learnings with my levels even if I do not tell my method.

1)How peaceful can be the Trend following than others methods of trading.

2)Market is GOD to me, and Trend Following is like surrendering to the GOD and follow its course without expectations.
contd.
3) How by NOT setting any Targets can reward us big.
See my biggies of Jul 2020 - 470, 105, 255,159,117,140 points,
Is not this the biggest learning?

4)Breaking Myths of Hedging - Hedging can be done by the position sizing too.
contd...
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I had a plan of X INR per month for Airtel BB connection, which got over in the lock down period,I kept on placing the request on their app/Email to upgrade it to unlimited plan, but no help. I then kept on buying the smart bytes. @airtelindia @Airtel_Presence @TRAI #bycottairtel
I did not pay the bill for that month, thinking that I will get some call from their end and then i will speak to them and upgrade the plan.

Yes,I got a call from someone reminding about the payment( See how these companies have set their priorites, calling only to recover dues)
The due amount was almost 3X of my original plan, But had they considered my plan change request to unlimited ,it should have been just 1.5X

The customer care understood the issue and commited the waiver in the bill and I promised them to pay on the same day.
#bycottairtel
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