Thread: My love of the Freshman Migration data, coupled with heavy smoke outside, coupled with the question "How can you go back to requiring the SAT when it's mostly going away in California" kept me busy this weekend.
After about three hours of trying to figure out a way to get around the Tableau restriction against using a table calculations in an LOD, I just created a table and exported to Excel and re-imported it as it was. It worked.
Here is a map of the 546 colleges outside of California that show Cali as one of their top five feeder states. That's about 30K students. The size of the indicator shows the number of freshmen from California; the digit shows the rank. A 2 means it's the second biggest feeder Image
Let's break that down. Not surprisingly, many institutions on the west coast rely heavily on California for freshmen. A few private institutions (blue bars) actually rely on California as the #1 feeder. These charts show rank on the left, and freshmen on the right. Image
Same, of course with the Southwest, especially the Arizona universities. Image
Rocky Mountain States? Same thing. Image
Less a deal in The Great Plains, but who had the University of North Dakota in the betting pool? Image
Great Lakes states? Pretty impressive. Remember, Purdue and Michigan were two universities that went test-optional late, and, if you read their announcements, went reluctantly. Same with Wisconsin. Image
South Central? Not so much. Image
Same for the Southeast. Duke and Emory will have some thinking to do, however. Image
Middle Atlantic states. NYU, of course, is sort of kind of test-confused, but there are some big hitters here who draw heavily in CA. Sure, some of these places will be full regardless. But will requiring the SATs from CA students depress apps and increase admit rates? Image
And finally, storied old New England, where demographics force institutions to look outside their region. This is quite the list. Image
If the publics in CA don't require the SAT--if they actually don't take it--will most of these students be able to take the exam easily? School day, of course, for the well resourced publics and privates. But what about everyone else? Or have I answered my own question?
Think about it a little bit, and do your own research. Many of the big institutions on the west coast or in the Southwest are already test-optional. So your pool of tested students from those states is likely to shrink.

Like I said, think about it.
How confident are you of your brand position and market power? How confident are you that students will endeavor to take the test just for the privilege of applying to your school? In the words of Dirty Harry:
Before you answer, remember that one of those New England institutions saw apps drop by 26% because--get ready--they added one additional essay question. No thread is complete without an @erichoov article.

chronicle.com/article/boston…
Good luck. If you're feeling lucky, that is.
Oh, and #EMTalk

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Thread: If people want to talk about public universities going out-of-state to generate revenue, just remember public education used to be adequately funded and mostly free for residents until this guy convinced people in California that was a bad idea. Image
And remember that access to high quality public education was most likely at the core of an amazing ramp up of educational attainment in the US (in 1940, only about 4% of adults had college degrees).

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And that led to an amazing rise in wealth, GDP, and other economic measures in the US, post WW II. If Median Family income had risen just at the rate of inflation since 1953, it would have been at $44.6K instead of $92.7K in 2021. Image
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Aug 29
Thread: We're hearing about male college enrollment again. And yes, it's going down. Is it a crisis? Maybe.

But there are stories beneath the data.
First, people often equate "enrollment" with "first-time, full-time enrollment of 18-year-olds." They are decidedly not the same. Let's take a look at my institution, Oregon State as an example.
Our total enrollment will be about 38,000 next month (we've not started classes yet, as we're on the quarter system). Traditional freshmen? About 4,600, or roughly 12% of the total.
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Counselors are not happy with @CollegeBoard who seems to turn a deaf ear, and who seems to want to force high schools' hand to offer more free labor and space via School Day Testing, all in service to the Highly Rejectives. (used with permission and redacted for privacy).
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This is what our HS colleagues go through to give the highly rejectives a teeny, tiny little more confidence in allocating their precious admissions slots.

Those institutions and College Board hoist the entire cost of their demands onto high schools and volunteers.
As indicated, it seems absurd when College Board (a nominally not-for-profit) had positive bottom lines averaging about $125M in the last two years available.

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Feb 7
Thread: It seems I'm spending more time telling people why I'm not too interested in the Dartmouth decision than it would take to just put it here. So here goes. I hope this is the last I'll say about it.
First, I've long said that if a college finds value in the SAT, they would be foolish not to use it. I just ask that they do the research, which Dartmouth did. And the lowest-scoring students at Dartmouth end up with a GPA of 3.1 or something like that. Horrible.
I am--frankly--a little suspicious of analysis that shows the SAT is better than HS GPA, because you know damn well if College Board or ACT could make that claim, they'd have done so long ago. They've never even whispered it.
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May 3, 2023
Thread: Post-May 1, aka the death of May 1:

A friend sent this Image
This is the result of the DOJ investigating the NACAC Statement of Principles of Good Practice, which would have allowed this if the student had not withdrawn, but would have forbidden it if the student had notified the offering school that they had deposited elsewhere.
The DOJ treated college just like any other consumer purchase: Suppose car dealers agreed the Subaru dealer could not call you while you were on the way to the Ford dealer to buy the car you had agreed to buy, and offer you a better deal?

That would be bad for consumers.
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May 2, 2023
Thread: When someone tells you about the big drop in high school graduates, remember 2014. Because by 2037, we'll be back to numbers like we saw in 2014. Image
What's really compelling is the mix: America will be more diverse, and because different ethnic groups have different college participation rates, that's the big thing going on behind the numbers. Image
And, of course, New England has known this for a long time. Image
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