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Why do we feel cold (i.e., experience "chills") when we have a fever? Shouldn't we feel hot?

And what are rigors?

Answers to these questions will help us better understand when we should obtain blood cultures.

When do you think is the best time to draw them?
2/
Bacteremia exposes us to exogenous pyrogens. For example, the cell wall of gram-negative rods contains lipopolysaccharide (LPS; endotoxin).

When injected into humans LPS induces fever. But, there is a 3-5 hour delay between exposure and peak fever.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/4897836/
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The delay between clinical bacteremia and fever was demonstrated in 1932 by Weiss and Ottenberg.

Their conclusion: Obtain blood cultures BEFORE fever. If only it were easy to predict future fevers!

[Maybe we can as you'll see in tweet 10 below.]

academic.oup.com/jid/article-ab…
4/
Why is there a delay between bacteremia and fever?

There's a lot to be done!

◾️LPS induces endogenous pyrogens (e.g., IL-6) which...
◾️Increase the hypothalamic set-point, resulting in...
◾️Thermogenesis, vasoconstriction, etc., and...
◾️Fever

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9759682/
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During this period between bacteremia and fever we may feel cold (i.e., we experience chills).

Why? There are at least two possible explanations.

1⃣Peripheral vasoconstriction → fall in skin temperature → "I'm cold!"
2⃣Direct central signal → "I'm cold!"

Which is it?
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In one study, subjects were placed in water at a stable temperature and injected with a pyrogen.

Before fever, they felt cold. This was despite a stable skin temperature.

🔑chills must therefore arise from some central action of pyrogens

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7189863/
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Why would an "I'm cold!" signal be sent?

This signal drives behavioral changes that aid with heat retention as our body aims to raise core temperature.

"I'm cold!" propels us to put on a blanket, seek shelter, etc.

🔑We ARE cold compared with what our body wants us to be!
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If we require a rapid increase in temperature we might also experience violent shivering.

aka shaking chills
aka RIGORS

The muscle contractions of rigors result in rapid heat production (thermogenesis) aiding fever onset.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14405791/
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We don't always require the rapid-onset fever that rigors produce. But bacteremia is a scenario where it might make sense.

So, is there an association between rigors and bacteremia?

Yes!

In fact, rigors predictor bacteremia better than fever.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22851117/
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Should we say "culture if shakes" instead of "culture if spikes"?

Maybe. Remember the order of events:

1⃣Bacteremia
2⃣Increased temperature set-point
3⃣"I'm cold" and4⃣Rigors
5⃣Fever

Chills and rigors should appear before a fever. And closer to the bacteremia.
11/
While rigors occur closer to bacteremia than fever (and therefore better predict positive cultures), there is still a delay. They're not perfect.

But, if you obtain blood cultures within 2 hours of rigors there is increased likelihood of positivity.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30059771/
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Before concluding, let me re-ask a version of the original question.

If you could obtain blood cultures at any of the following periods, which would you choose?
13/ - SUMMARY - Part 1
🔳The order of events: bacteremia and exogenous pyrogen exposure → increase temperature set-point → chills/rigors → fever
🔳We may feel cold chills as a cue to drive behavioral change (e.g., put on a sweater)
🔳Rigors promote rapid heat production
14/14 - SUMMARY - Part 2
🔳By the time fever occurs, bacteremia may have already cleared
🔳Because rigors occur before fever (i.e., temporally closer to bacteremia), they are better predictors of positive blood cultures
🔳Neither is perfect

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Apr 9
1/12 - Mystery #1

You are seeing a patient recently diagnosed with heart failure and started on GDMT. You notice that their hemoglobin (HGB) has increased (12 → 13 g/dL) in the intervening weeks.

🤔Which medication is the likely cause of this increase in HGB?
2/12 - An Answer

Empagliflozin

💡All SGLT2 inhibitors have been associated with an increase in hematocrit/hemoglobin soon after initiation.

The average increase is 2.3% in hematocrit and 0.6 g/dL in hemoglobin.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…Image
3/12 - An Initial Explanation (I)

The effect of SGLT2 inhibitors on HCT/HGB has been noted since the very first randomized control trial of dapagliflozin, published in 2010.

Initially, investigators assumed this was related to the diuretic effect of these drugs (i.e., a reduction in plasma volume led to an increase in HCT/HGB).

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20609968/Image
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Feb 22
1/10
🤔Why is pulmonary embolism (PE) relatively rare in those with Factor V Leiden?

This Factor V Leiden Paradox was pointed out to me by @DrSamelsonJones after I posted about a similar difference with Behçet Syndrome.

Let's have a look.
2/
In 1993, Dahlback, Carlsson, and Svensson first described a heritable resistance to activated protein C.

A year later the same group found this to be the most common form of hereditary hypercoagulability.


ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8302317/Image
Image
3/
The mutation in the Factor V gene conferring resistance to activated protein C was detailed the following year by a group in Leiden, The Netherlands.

Thus the name for the condition: Factor V Leiden.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8164741/Image
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Feb 18
1/8
🤔Why is pulmonary embolism (PE) so rare in Behçet Syndrome?

The condition is associated with a 14-fold increased risk of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) but almost none of these result in PE.

What is it about the thrombus in Behçet that makes it so unable to embolize?
2/
Numerous case series have reported a markedly increased risk of deep vein thrombosis with Behçet Syndrome.

One reported the following rates of venous thrombosis:
➣ Behçet Syndrome: 18/73 (25%)
➣ Controls: 4/146 (3%)

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11426022/Image
3/
Another study of 882 patients with vascular Behçet Syndrome reported the following rates of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) and pulmonary embolism (PE):

➣ DVT: 592/882 (67%)
➣ PE: 0%!

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24907156/Image
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Dec 12, 2023
1/7
🤔What is the hemodynamic response to a chronic hemoglobin of 1.5 g/dL.

A fascinating 1963 study published in @CircAHA provides some interesting answers. Let's have a look at Patient One.

ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/10.116…
Image
@CircAHA 2/
Patient One had chronic anemia with a hemoglobin 1.5 g/dL. You'll see that before receiving blood they had the following cardiac parameter:

• HR 100 (elevated)
• Cardiac index 8.9 (elevated)
• Stroke index 89 (elevated) Image
@CircAHA 3/
After transfusion to a hemoglobin of 10 g/dL, the following changes were noted:

• HR 100 (elevated but unchanged)
• Cardiac index 3.4 (decreased and now normal)
• Stroke index 34 (decreased and now normal)
Image
Image
Read 7 tweets
Dec 10, 2023
1/17
🤔Why don't we transfuse to a normal hemoglobin?

In many cases, we aim to restore values to the normal range. Potassium and other electrolytes. Even white blood cells.

But not hemoglobin.

In most situations, we accept >7g/dL, far less than normal. Why are we so tolerant? Image
2/
The principal rationale for red blood cell transfusion is to increase the O₂-carrying capacity and therefore O₂ delivery to tissues.

As hemoglobin is lowered O₂ delivery decreases, assuming all else remains unchanged.

So giving blood makes sense.
3/
Historically we did not transfuse to normal because we did not transfuse. The risks far outstripped the benefits.

There were also technical constraints and storage limitations. This meant that transfusions were reserved for acute conditions.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/…
Image
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Oct 12, 2023
1/7 - The Mystery

A 57-year-old presents with the following labs:

WBC 2.7 / HGB 2.2 / PLT 111
Bili 3.2 (direct 0.4)
LDH 4360
Haptoglobin <10
INR 1.6 / PTT 35
Reticulocyte count 3.4
Smear with schistocytes

🤔What is the most likely diagnosis?
2/7 - The Answer

💡This patient was diagnosed with profound B12 deficiency secondary to pernicious anemia (PA)!
3/7 - The Clue

One of the clues in this case is the markedly elevated LDH.

Multiple studies from the 1960s demonstrated that PA is the condition associated with the highest serum LDH levels.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/5805997/
Image
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