Thread: The NY Post decided to write an article about the new book by @jselingo
I am no New York expert but I don't get a good impression from the Post most times I read an article there.
But I thought this might be an exception. It's not.
First problem: They don't
More than 50 is technically accurate. But it's probably actually more like 1500. Still, of course, the reality is that it only matters at 50 at most, and--no offense intended--University of Toledo is probably not one of them.
I've worked at six colleges, and while this technology wasn't around until recently, even if it had been, it would have maybe been used at one of them.
That's because there are only two types of colleges in the US: Those that deny students they would like to admit (maybe 40) and those that admit students they'd probably like to deny (everyone else.)
Admissions is not usually a process of turning down well qualified students.
I always get a chuckle out of the unnecessary use of quotation marks. It makes me fill like I'm being lectured.
I went to Catholic school with nuns, NY Post. You don't scare me.
Yes, college enrollment boomed in the 60s. But it's not just the baby boom. It was two offshoots of the military industrial complex: The GI Bill and the Vietnam War. College-educated parents wanted their kids to go to college, and to avoid the draft.
I believe College Board Student Search Service started in the mid 1970s but am too lazy to look right now. Anyway, it wasn't just selectivity; it was survival. Peak live births in the US happened in 1957. Colleges could see the drop coming.
In order: False, false, probably true probably true, probably true, and probably true. But the rejoinders are based on fault premises.
I suspect--but might be wrong--that the "Latting Index" is used at Emory, given that the Chief Enrollment Officer there is John Latting. While it's true many colleges use an index, I don't know that they all use his.
The two paragraphs make me hate my profession. Botany and football are "quirky?" Only if the kid is trying to grow non-GMO modified vegan footballs. It's more likely he's an athlete, which is another story all together.
And low-income kids reading that second paragraph
And I believe my good looks are why I have over 5,000 followers on the Twitters, mother who is way too involved in her kid's college search (I bet he applied early and checked "no" on the financial aid question.
Good golly, Miss Molly
Which sentence is more wrong: Charles Manson was misunderstood; Barney Rubble was the greatest actor of the 60's, or the first sentence in this paragraph?
This is true, but it's probably the exact opposite of what the author thinks.
I want to be clear: I've not yet read Jeff's book, and my criticism is of this piece of sloppy journalism, not the book it's reviewing. It's laden with the same misconceptions many in the media have of how we do our work, and it lumps college admissions into one big thing.
Several years ago, I wrote a chapter in this book, which was intended to be the text for the first class in a master's program in Higher Ed. You can read most of that chapter here. amazon.com/Contemporary-C…
Some snippets, which I think are relevant
And this
And this:
We are not monolithic. Talking about "College Admissions" is not about college admissions. It's about that office, at that one college, based on that university's mission and goals.
That's it.
These colors are all blue. But they're not the same color.
So, it's up to us to keep explaining this. We owe it to ourselves and to the kids who want and deserve a chance at college.
Thread: If people want to talk about public universities going out-of-state to generate revenue, just remember public education used to be adequately funded and mostly free for residents until this guy convinced people in California that was a bad idea.
And remember that access to high quality public education was most likely at the core of an amazing ramp up of educational attainment in the US (in 1940, only about 4% of adults had college degrees).
And that led to an amazing rise in wealth, GDP, and other economic measures in the US, post WW II. If Median Family income had risen just at the rate of inflation since 1953, it would have been at $44.6K instead of $92.7K in 2021.
Thread: We're hearing about male college enrollment again. And yes, it's going down. Is it a crisis? Maybe.
But there are stories beneath the data.
First, people often equate "enrollment" with "first-time, full-time enrollment of 18-year-olds." They are decidedly not the same. Let's take a look at my institution, Oregon State as an example.
Our total enrollment will be about 38,000 next month (we've not started classes yet, as we're on the quarter system). Traditional freshmen? About 4,600, or roughly 12% of the total.
Counselors are not happy with @CollegeBoard who seems to turn a deaf ear, and who seems to want to force high schools' hand to offer more free labor and space via School Day Testing, all in service to the Highly Rejectives. (used with permission and redacted for privacy).
This is what our HS colleagues go through to give the highly rejectives a teeny, tiny little more confidence in allocating their precious admissions slots.
Those institutions and College Board hoist the entire cost of their demands onto high schools and volunteers.
As indicated, it seems absurd when College Board (a nominally not-for-profit) had positive bottom lines averaging about $125M in the last two years available.
Thread: It seems I'm spending more time telling people why I'm not too interested in the Dartmouth decision than it would take to just put it here. So here goes. I hope this is the last I'll say about it.
First, I've long said that if a college finds value in the SAT, they would be foolish not to use it. I just ask that they do the research, which Dartmouth did. And the lowest-scoring students at Dartmouth end up with a GPA of 3.1 or something like that. Horrible.
I am--frankly--a little suspicious of analysis that shows the SAT is better than HS GPA, because you know damn well if College Board or ACT could make that claim, they'd have done so long ago. They've never even whispered it.
This is the result of the DOJ investigating the NACAC Statement of Principles of Good Practice, which would have allowed this if the student had not withdrawn, but would have forbidden it if the student had notified the offering school that they had deposited elsewhere.
The DOJ treated college just like any other consumer purchase: Suppose car dealers agreed the Subaru dealer could not call you while you were on the way to the Ford dealer to buy the car you had agreed to buy, and offer you a better deal?
Thread: When someone tells you about the big drop in high school graduates, remember 2014. Because by 2037, we'll be back to numbers like we saw in 2014.
What's really compelling is the mix: America will be more diverse, and because different ethnic groups have different college participation rates, that's the big thing going on behind the numbers.
And, of course, New England has known this for a long time.