DAY 14 of the #Assange extradition hearing will start soon. Our live tweets are on this thread.
Join us at 5pm BST for Joe Lauria @unjoe's daily update on the day's proceedings.
One of today's witnesses is Patrick Eller.
Summers: At 11.30 last night we received the prosecution's bundle for witnesses. Mr Eller hasn't had a chance to read it. There has been an exchange between Eller & Kromberg & a challenge to his evidence. Eller needs an hour to read it.
Baraitser grants 1 hour. She received 2 statements last night. Questions whether they can be admitted. Lewis will give an answer today.
Now speaking about what journalists can disclose. Nothing more than what is discussed in open court, acc to defence.
Defence wants to submit closing statements in writing, give to #Assange & then address the court. They would forego the latter in the interest of having time for 2nd superseding indictment. They ask 4 weeks. Baraitser wants it to be end of next week. EF pleads for more. Lewis OK
Baraitser: What impact do US elections have on your case?
EF: There will be no verdict before Nov 4th & all we've said about systemic issues stands. #Assange's fate after election unknown
Baraitser agrees that closing arguments will be due on Nov 16, with 72 hours for responses
Statement being read. Fmr editor-in-chief of @DerFreitag which alerted world to publication of the password to unredacted cables in @DavidLeighx book. Mentions Daniel Domscheit-Berg, who left @Wikileaks w/ large volume of data. #Assange expressed concern abt informants exposure.
EF Asks for 2 expert reports to be admitted. One re ADX (prison in Colorado) & both relating to human rights.
Lewis objects. We would require another hearing & cross-examination.
EF We have had no opportunity to cross-examine Gordon Kromberg & Luke Feld, witnesses for gov.
Baraitser refuses the admission of more statements from the defence. The issues have already been heard.
The witness statements Judge Baraitser has excluded are from the Head of the Bureau of Prisons in the US & the other an ADX prison psychiatrist. The latter is where #Assange would be sent if sentenced.
Expert witness Patrick Heller. A life-long career in the military & law enforcement. Has been asked to examine Jabber chat between @xychelsea & "Nathanial Frank" re cracking of hash code
MS Did chat reveal what hash code would be used for, or computer it would be used on?
PH No
MS How do you decrypt a hash code?
PH You would need the SAM file + the system file.
MS Using just the information in the chat, could it be used to recreate a password.
PH Not in my opinion.
MS @xychelsea worked in a SCIF (secure room) w/ her own domain account name.
The acct associated w/ the hash was a different one "FTP user" (her local machine). If Manning had been able to crack PW would it have got her access to defence information?
PH No, not the T-drive
MS Re hash code, the code never was cracked?
PH No
MS The discussion was never returned to?
PH No. Had it been done, it would have resulted to a PW for the FTP User acct (which had no access to defence info).
MS Manning did not require a PW for defence info (SIPRNET)?
PH Correct
MS Once on SIPRNET were there areas requiring a PW?
Yes
MS Any info downloaded from SIPRNET would be detected?
Yes
MS Did Manning know?
Yes
MS Could Manning have downloaded material undetected?
PH No, the IP address of her station would be logged, no matter the login
MS If Manning had cracked the PW would she have gained access to the SIDNE database as FTP User?
PH Not to the best of my knowledge.
MS There were 4 stages Manning had to go through to get info from US Mil computers to @Wikileaks. Could 1 & 2 be done anonymously?
No & no to all
MS Could Manning have used a Linux CD to get classified material w/out detection?
Yes
MS What was installed illegally on the SCIF T-drive?
PH Players for films, video games
MS Did the soldiers want the games on their local computers & were they assisted?
Yes, by My Milleman(?)
What was the use of the FTP User account?
PH It had admin permissions so it enabled games etc to be installed.
MS Manning's machine was re-imaged. Would there have still have been non standard software?
PH No
Lewis: How do you know the hash code was never cracked?
PH: Based on the chat
Lewis: But you are not certain
PH: No
Lewis: Looking at the Jabber chat, you have agreed that Nathanial Frank is Julian Assange & other user is Manning?
PH Yes
Lewis: The hash Manning sent came from the SAM file (Security Access Management). To create an LM hash, Windows does a number of things...
Lewis goes through the technical process of a PW being converted to an LM hash. Windows realised this would be easily cracked with a brute force attack?
PH Today, yes.
Lewis: The other way is w/ Rainbow Tables?
PH: Yes
Lewis: #Assange says they have Rainbow Tables for LM?
PH: Yes
Lewis: Your wording is very careful. You say "at the time" it would not have been possible to crack an LM hash. I want to show you a 1999 clip w/ techniques used by penetration testers. Says brute force attacks possible but you say not possible in 2010?
PH Yes, US Mil PWs longer
Lewis continues reading a highly technical text abt cracking PWs on Windows machines. Eller looks like he has wanted to say something for a long time.
PE In 1999, Windows provided a patch for the the vulnerability you have been talking about for some time.
PE A hash was provided & Rainbow Tables were mentioned. There was no information about what it would be used for, & it was made clear that there was not enough info to crack it
Lewis: But a skilled hacker could crack what most considered impossible?
PE: If they had all the info
Lewis: Network logs can only identify a computer, not a user, but we know that Manning used own login (Bradley.Manning) & these records were used to prosecute her. On that user, a folder called Bloop contained 10K US Mil docs?
PE: Yes
Lewis: Was a downloading script found?
PE Yes
Lewis refers to Kromberg's evidence. There's other examples of use of Manning's personal login. Would you agree that the ability to look forensically at her computer would be useful in prosecuting her?
PE Yes
So if FTP User was used records would not be associated w/ her?
PE Yes
Lewis: There would be a clear advantage to using another account to access data.
PE: Yes, if that was what she was trying to do.
Lewis: You say use of FTP user enabled bypassing security to install video games?
PE Yes
Lewis: That's a defence theory & you support it?
PE: Yes
Lewis: U don't know the FTP User acct had admin privileges.
PE: You can't say it didn't.
Lewis: But it was re-imaged & if it did not have admin privileges it couldn't have been used to install video games.
PE: Correct
Short break
Baraitser has asked witness Patrick Eller to come back after lunch.
EF That's if Mr Lewis for the prosecution (who is absent) doesn't object.
Laughter in court.
Break for lunch
Re-exam of Patrick Eller by Mark Summers.
MS We know the handle "Nobody" is Manning. Did anyone ask you to determine who "Nathanial Frank" was?
PE No
MS Why did you say Assange when referring to NF?
PE It was assumed
MS Do you know who was on the NF end or the IP address??
PE No
MS You said it was computationally infeasible to crack the hash PW, and you spoke of a patch that was installed in Microsoft software to remove the vulnerability Mr Lewis was talking about... Would a skilled hacker be able to hack the computationally infeasible?
PE I assume no
MS If Manning had cracked the password and logged into the FTP User acct, would she have been able to access defence info?
PE No
MS Would she have had access to WeGet (downloading utility)?
PE If she had admin permissions she could have installed it.
MS Could the "FTP User" account disguise accessing defence info?
PE No, because the tracking logged the unique IP address of the computer.
MS Would the FTP User account have admin privileges?
PE: Local accounts on a system generally would have admin privileges
An "application from the newspaper" will be read - in terms of access to documents within the context of open justice.
The public must be able to understand the issues and the evidence. The judge must balance between the principle and the risk of harm to the interests of others.
The concern in this case is Mr #Assange's privacy. (Read by Joel Smith for the prosec.)
Baraitser puzzled why the prosecution is concerned about JA's privacy. Joel Smith says the prosecution supports his right
EF There is nothing more. There have been 2 days of full disclosure
Baraitser: Aren't witness statements usually read out?
Smith: "In the olden days" but most of the time statements are simply submitted in writing and not always read.
Baraitser: If public doesn't know what is in the statements, how can they make an argument for getting access?
Smith: Applicants (the press) may cite gaps in their knowledge which result in them not being able to follow the arguments.
EF: But the press do not have the automatic right to obtain statements. It can be difficult to get over the hurdle of identifying what is missing.
EF: There's been much discussion in open court abt Mr Assange's medical condition. We feel it inappropriate to hand over medical notes, wh contain info about his family.
Application: We don't want #Assange's medical notes. We need to see & understand the reports. Can you redact?
There are 5 or 6 medical reports that his not been released to the media. They are complaining that when sections are referenced, it is difficult to understand what is being discussed.
Baraitser will make a call on this on Monday.
Edward Fitzgerald says that no further progress can be made in court today. Adjourned until Monday.
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Day Two of the closing arguments for Antoinette Lattouf v. Australian Broadcasting Corporation will begin at 9.45am AEDT / 5.45pm EST today. We will be providing live updates on this thread.
Proceedings may be viewed on this link for the duration of today's session.
We heard from Lattouf's lawyers yesterday. Today will be the closing arguments for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Justice Darryl Rangiah presides, and Ian Neil SC (IN) will speak for the ABC.
Court in session. Lattouf lawyer Oshie Fagir (OF) tenders 3 documents. Number one is a medical opinion concerning the definition of disability, saying there is no difference between the underlying condition and its manifestation. Other documents concern the testimony of the decision-makers and their reasons for the actions they took.
Day One of the closing arguments for Antoinette Lattouf v. Australian Broadcasting Corporation will begin at 10.15am AEDT / 6.15pm EST today. We will be providing live updates on this thread.
Proceedings may be viewed on this link for the duration of today's session.
Our reporting on days one to seven of witness testimonies of Lattouf v. ABC are on these threads.
Last day of witness testimony for Lattouf v. ABC will begin in about 30 minutes. Live updates will be on this thread and the proceedings will be live-streamed from the Federal Court of Australia on this link:
Yesterday ended with the former ABC Chair Ita Buttrose claiming she had nothing to do with @antoinette_news' sacking, despite evidence of a number of emails she sent to subordinates that appeared to apply pressure for this outcome.
She stated in court: "I'm not happy and I wasn't happy. I didn't wish her to be removed. I didn't put pressure on anybody. It's a fantasy of your own imagination. I have nothing to do with her dismissal".
Court in session.
Judge: A media organisation has published information that was subject to a suppression order. I ask that this organisation consider their position & avoid further action.
Announcement of document that has arrived.
Next witness with be Elizabeth Green (direct manager of Lattouf). There is an objection to a part of her affidavit, starting with "this is because...". Judge reads & Lattouf lawyer objects on relevance. What is revenant is what she said or intended to say in a meeting.
Judge: Isn't that favourable for you
LL: Potentially but what is relevant is what preceded her characterisation of what she said.
Judge: I will provisionally let that evidence be led & we can deal with the matter in closing submissions.
Green takes the stand. Confirms her name & position as producer of Sydney 'Drive' show.
LL refers Green to her affidavit.
EG: It's details of a Teams meeting + screenshot I took.
Barrister Philip Boncardo for Lattouf: Did you see complaints about AL?
EG: Yes
PB: Were you told they were from lobby groups?
EG: No, not that I recall.
PB: Re conversations with Ahern. he asked you to look at AL's post. Did you know they about Israel-Palestine?
EG: Yes
PB asks about specifics of what EG said to Lattouf about social media posting & about communication to Ms McBean, legal council.
EG: I said she should be mindful, avoid posting anything about Israel-Palestine.
PB: AL had asked if she had done anything wrong
EG: I told her she was doing a good job, but keep a low profile on social media.
PB: Did you tell Lattouf she should not post anything that might appear unbalanced or not impartial.
EG: Yes
PB: Nothing about Israel-Palestine?
EG: yes I believe so
PB: You said it was OK to post anything factual and from a verified organisation?
EG: Yes
PB: Nothing controversial?
EG: Yes
PB: You got an email from AL outlining what was OK to post & you forwarded this to Ahern. And you both OKd this?
EG: Yes
PB: You gave Lattouf good feedback on her show?
EG: Yes
PB: You were copied in on an email sent by Ahern detailing why AL was on the show.
EG: Yes
PB: When you learned of an intention to dismiss AL you raised an objection that there was nothing wrong with her post?
EG: yes
PB: You were at the dismissal meeting with Ahern & Lattouf where it was explained she had breached the social media policy. Did AL say she had discussed what was OK with you?
EG: Yes
PB: Al was crying & you spent time with here. You said you were sorry & had tried to stop this, but it was coming from higher up?
EG: yes
PB: AL asked if it was about the @hrw post & you said it was about it not being balanced.
EG: Yes
PB: And she said: "How can you balance starvation (as a 'weapon of war')?
EG: I don't recall that.
PB: You said you would love AL to work at the ABC again.
EG: Yes
PB: You made notes, saying you had heard the decision came from Mr Anderson. Heard from whom?
Lattouf v. ABC will resume in the Federal Court of Australia in about 20 minutes time & we'll hear from five witnesses over the two days. Updates are on this thread & the proceedings can be viewed on this link.
@antoinette_news Day Six of Lattouf v. ABC in session. Judge makes announcement about violations of the confidentiality of complainants' names & addresses - and the uploading of unredacted material to the publicly available online files. ABC lawyer apologises for the human error.
@antoinette_news Today we will hear from Ahern, Buttrose & Green. Statement from ABC: does not deny the existence of the Lebanese race or ethnic extraction & that Ms Lattouf is Lebanese. Does deny this has anything to do with her dismissal.
Our DAY FIVE reporting on the Lattouf v. ABC case will be on this thread and starting at 9.30am AEDT, the proceedings can be viewed via this link ⬇️
We arrived at a point yesterday where David Anderson, the Managing Director of the ABC (Australia's national broadcaster) testified that @antoinette_news' mention of "Illegally occupied territories" of #Gaza could be interpreted as anti-semitic hate speech.
The Australian journalists' union @withMEAA has since issued a statement about outside interference that may have influenced such views within the ABC.
Court in session. Calling Christopher Nicolas Oliver-Taylor (O-T), Chief Content Officer (COT) for ABC.
Changes since affidavit - resigned from ABC.
Screenshot shown from Teams meeting
Oshie Fagir: You took a religious oath
O-T: Yes, I'm Catholic
OF: Do you know what a managed exit is?
O-T: No
OF: Do you use Signal & did you communicate about Ms Lattouf over Signal
O-T: Yes & yes, with Mr Latimer
OF reads O-T's job description - ensures compliance for editorial policies (EdPols) - - formerly over 1K people
OF - Do you understand EdPols govern on air content, and then there are Guidelines for personal use of social media & ABC distinguishes the two?
O-T Yes, but it depends on the circumstances?
OF- So personal social media activity is not ABC content & not subject to EdPols. Agree?
O-T Yes, but impartiality can come into play
OF: You were also bound by EdPols?
O-T: Yes
OF draws O-T's attention to the subject of misconduct = where employee disobeys a reasonable and lawful direction.
OF You understand the difference between direction, request and suggestion?
O-T: Yes
OF: The way Ms Lattouf (AL) was dealt with was highly abnormal. Agree?
O-T: No
OF: Ms Green was AL's line manager. Wasn't it unusual for you & ABC's MD to be involved in scrutinising the conduct of a 5-day casual employee? You disagreed.
O-T: Nods
OF: Social media misconduct should have nothing to do with EdPols or the COT, but be managed by line manager.
O-T: Not unless the MD refers it to COT. It was managed by line manager but others involved to.
OF: When did you consult with people in Culture?
O-T: I did not
OF: You understood that Lattouf was not a high profile personality?
O-T: Yes
OF: You were aware of her race & national extraction?
O-T: No
OF: You see this email you wrote, where you say she is a Lebanese Christian?
O-T: I copy/pasted this content from Mr Ahern...
OF: Of course you knew. Were you confused by this? You understand that there is a race called Lebanese Christian?
ABC lawyer: Objection
Judge asks O-T to leave the room
OF reminds judge that Fair Work Act permits use of race as a national or ethnic category
OF to O-T: You understand Lattouf was Lebanese?
O-T: I wasn't really aware of all the content of my email send to MD Anderson.
OF: You just copy/paste content to email and send?
O-T: In some cases. The criteria. for Lattouf's selection were put together by someone else.
OF: You understood Lattouf's position on the Israel-Gaza war before she was hired?
O-T: More as the week continued. I don't know if I understood her position but I knew there were published comments relating to question of partiality as a host of a live radio show.
OF: You understood when you caused her to be removed from the air that Lattouf held a view that media orgs should report ethically on Israel-Palestine?
O-T: I didn't know she held that view
OF refers to O-T sent to Ahern & Latimer, questioning her suitability for the job because of her position on Israel-Palestine & because she signed a petition.
OF: You knew her political stance when you fired her, that she was critical of the State of Israel?
O-T: No
OF: You knew she had signed a petition calling for ethical reporting on the war?
O-T: It wasn't about that, She wasn't supposed to post anything during her period of employment
OF: He dismissal was precipitated by a social media post? When did you become aware of that?
O-T: Yes. during a Teams meeting,. It was a slide shared by Mr Latimer
OF: You gave evidence at the Fair Work Commission that you had never seen that post. O-T says his memory is not clear.
OF moves on to the week of Lattouf's dismissal. O-T says he was looking at ways she could be kept on air.
OF refers to correspondence about Lattouf. There is no indication here that you saw her posts relating to diversity of voices and Israel's use of starvation as a weapon of war. Correct?
O-T: I can't recall. I believe I was told by Mr Latimer
OF reads from O-T affidavit, questions the use of language defining partiality. Asks if those are lawyer's words or his.
O-T: I don't know how to answer that
OF : You understand there is an obligation for ABC employees to be impartial. On what issues?
O-T: That's a broad question but if you're a live radio host you should be impartial, there are some topics where it becomes difficult to hold personal view.
OF: The obligation applies at all times or only at work
O-T: It depends on the circumstances
OF: And if you are radio host, it applies to all subject matter? Did you understand that when Lattouf was employed by ABC she should be impartial on all subject matter at all times?
O-T: No? (O-T speaking very quietly)
OF: Lattouf was hosting the 'Mornings' show and it was a (politically) light show. That her work was not related to the Israel-Gaza war?
O-T: Yes, but there were news breaks & that was the hottest news story at the time.
OF: You wrote "her work is not related to the Israel-Gaza war. You knew the content of 'Mornings' was significantly watered down coming up to Christmas.
OF: You knew Lattouf did not present the news. That was a completely different person & different department. Correct?
O-T: Yes
OF: Was Lattouf sacked for breaching a direction?
O-T: Yes, and was not impartial - and this could have affected perception of her impartiality on air.
OF: Who gave the direction not to pst on social media
O-T: I believe it was Mr Ahern
OF: Because she was known to have certain opinions about the Israel-Gaza War?
O-T: I was told that
OF: What was her view?
O-T: I'm not sure
OF: You took a decision without knowing anything about her views?
O-T: I'm not an expert on the issues. I was told there was a problem related to impartiality.
OF: You knew complaints were made by a pro-Israel lobby?
O-T: I knew there had been a number of complaints. I don't believe I knew it was a lobby. It was by people who held a different view to Ms Lattouf. That was clear.
OF: You understood that the complaints were about her position on the Israel-Gaza war.
O-T: Yes
OF: You have been instructed not to acknowledge Ms Lattouf's position & just use the catch-phrase "impartiality", right?
O-T: I don't agree with that statement.
OF On Dec 18, did you know who Lattouf was?
O-T: I don't think so
OF: Did Anderson know her?
O-T: I don't know sir
OF: You knew complaints were about her position on the war?
O-T: Yes, Mr Anderson told me
OF: And you told Mr Ahern to seek advice Latimer & Saska?
O-T: Yes they were the experts on subject matter
OF: On what basis has the ABC authority to forbid Lattouf from expressing her views?
O-T: Our concern about impartiality
OF You note Latimer's advice that the ABC could not expect a casual presenter's view to be consistent with ABC policy at all times? You agree with that?
O-T: Yes
OF: And you note Melkman's comments about her Crikey article, that it was clearly journalistic work?
OF: Yes
O-T: You agreed with Melkman's view (as acting editorial director)?
O-T: Yes
OF You then get an email from Ahern & see mention of Lattouf's views on the Israel-Gaza war. Did you read it?
O-T: Briefly
OF: You had a lot of emails about this. Was it a priority issue?
O-T: Yes but it wasn't about something I knew much about.
OF: Your affidavit speaks of what was in your mind the week of the dismissal.
O-T: There were lots of things going on. I was running 9 radio stations & 4 RV channels
OF: But there's a lot about this matter in you affidavit.
O-T: I remember different things at different times.
OF: You have no reason to doubt what was in Ahern's email? Your view when you wrote to the MD was that Lattouf had expressed views that would be problematic?
O-T: During her period of employment
OF You understood there would be no coverage of Israel-Gaza that week?
O-T: Yes
OF: Did you think AL's signing a petition was relevant?
O-T: No but others were concerned
OF: You recall a series of texts the MD sent you that evening of Dec 18?
O-T: Yes
OF, referring to the one saying MD thought "we have an Antoinette problem. Her socials are full of anti-semitic hatred" and doubting ABC could have someone like that on air. Did you think he was right?
O-T: I did know much about the issue. I was concerned that she was on live radio.
OF: You had no idea what she was posting?
O-T: I agreed with Anderson that we had a problem because she was live.
OF: You were sent a screenshot about Crikey reporting by Lattouf & Cameron Wilson. What's problematic about her contributing to a Crikey article?
O-T: My concern was that she was live.
OF: ABC journalists publish articles every day where they express their opinions. Should this disqualify them from working at the ABC.
O-T: I'm not a journalist. When an MD uses words like "ant-semitic hatred" I become concerned.
OF: Didn't you say you didn't know anything about Lattouf's views, but were aware on the evening of Dec 18 that she was critical of the State of Israel?
O-T: MD told me that and supplied a screenshot.
Judge asks O-T to leave court. Discussion about line of questioning. OF says O-T was a decision-maker. The allegation was that Lattouf was sacked because of her political views. He wants to educe evidence that O-T was ate of those views. Judge suggests he take question in two steps. O-T returns.
Our DAY FOUR reporting on the Lattouf v. ABC case will be on this thread and starting at 10.45am AEDT, the proceedings can be viewed via this link ⬇️
@antoinette_news #LattoufvABC Day 4 hearing will begin in 15 minutes.
Lattouf lawyer Oshie Fagir (OF) continues questioning ABC managing director Mr Anderson (A).
Establishes that being fired by Australia's national broadcaster is a serious matter. Reminds A that he said all staff were well aware of ABC policies and guidelines.
OF: I asked if there were other rules not communicated to staff & only in the minds of management.
A: No, I cited sections of the EdPols regarding objectivity, which are in part informed by guidelines.
OF: What is objective journalism? Does that require qualification?
A: Reads extract and claims this to be clear.
OF Your view is that if a person's conduct in their private communications is perceived not to be impartial then that undermines the ABC's integrity?
A: That is the starting point for an investigation.
OF: You recall we spoke about a number of other ABC presenters who had made statements that were clearly not impartial, yet they were not sanctioned.
A: Because they were based on fact.
OF: So it didn't matter that millions of Australian would disagree with the statement "Australia is a racist country and always has been", by Laura Tingle?
A: No
OF: The critical point is whether the statement is true?
A: Yes
OF: Would you agree that the process you describe is arbitrary?
A: No, an investigation ensues & someone senior decides whether there should be a sanction or removal.
OF: Who decides whether a statement is true?
A: A delegate decides whether the statement is accurate.
Judge: Is this a typical process or the process.
A: Sometimes no decision needs to be made since there is no case to answer.
OF: You understand Ms Lattouf was fired because she posted something on social media. Was this process followed?
A: No
OF: You are the ABC's MD & have a deep understanding of its processes for dealing with misconduct. I want to understand your views on these processes.
ABC lawyer objects on relevance. A asked to leave the court.
OF: I want to understand why A took no steps to ensure an investigation took place, as required in the process he describes.
Judge: Are you suggesting A's understanding of the enterprise agreement is relevant?
OF: Yes, and according to ABC processes, I want to determine why he did not assure compliance.
Judge: I deem the line of questioning relevant.
ABC: Word of caution about the actual nature of the pleading.
OF to A: Should a process have been followed that wasn't.
A: I think an assessment was warranted. My understanding is that allegations were not put to Ms Lattouf.
OF: Nor was a support person or outside assessor appointed?
A: No, Ms Lattouf was not approached.
OF: In the case of Laura Tingle she was counseled but not in relation to her comments about racism in Australia?
A: Correct
OF: Complaints have been made about ABC presenter Paul Barry?
A: Yes
OF: He was never taken off air?
A: No
OF: And companies were received about John Lyons & Patricia Karvalas?
A: Yes
OF: Sanctioned or taken off air?
A: No
OF: So expressing political opinion does not necessarily cause sanction or dismissal?
A: No
OF: I'm suggesting ABC processes invite arbitrary decision-making, ultimately resting upon a delegate's own view?
A: There is a process of assessment
OF: And the presenter would normally be aware of what they had done?
A: Yes
Judge asks A to leave the room. Addresses OF. I thought you would ask A why he had not assured due process. Can you do this more directly?
OF: You know Lattouf was not a political reporter for the ABC?
A: Yes
OF: And so her personal social media post could not have had an impact on her partiality in air?
A: It could have.
OF: The ABC was subject to a coordinated campaign about Ms Lattouf?
A Yes, there were about 50 emails that were worded almost the same.
OF: Bearing in mind that it is not uncommon for the ABC to "ruffle feathers", are such communications looked into?
A: Yes
OF: How did you learn about the WhatsApp campaign?
A: I was told by a subordinate that the campaign was coordinated via WhatsApp. The emails were clogging up my email account. They were all the same so I stopped reading them.
OF: They said Ms Lattouf was anti-semitic.
A: Yes.
OF: You knew the campaign was coordinated by Lawyers for Israel?
A: I learned that later.
OF: You came to agree with the complaints that Ms Lattouf's criticism of Israel were ant-semitic?
A: I looked at her social media posts. I can't remember exactly what constituted anti-semitic hatred; whether it was her statements or surrounding statements.
OF: You mean other people's statements?
A: Yes. I became concerned about what Lattouf might say on air.