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Oct 1, 2020 10 tweets 3 min read Read on X
"If there's one thing we learn from history, it's that we don't learn from history"

A new study from India looks at #COVID19 contact tracing

And now reported, "[children] transmitted the virus at rates similar to the rest of the population"

🤔

latimes.com/world-nation/s…

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There is SO much to dig in to here because these findings are complex - but we'll stick with the major issues for now

Child index cases were found to have a high proportion of positive contact of the same age

They must infect them easily, right?

science.sciencemag.org/content/early/…

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The first caveat, is that to be defined as a index case, the child was almost certainly symptomatic

Symptomatic people seem to be much more infectious than asymptomatic

A large proportion of children seem asymptomatic (~50%) so findings are not generalisable

But wait...

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We've been here before

Remember this study from South Korea which was widely reported to show children aged 10 - 19 were just as infectious as adults?

wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26…

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And remember this study ON THE SAME DATA which corrected for shared exposure (the index case and suspected secondary case both exposed to same original infection source) and found extraordinarily low rates of confirmed secondary infections?

adc.bmj.com/content/early/…

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This study has the same methodology, and suffers from the same massive source of bias

Children (particularly young children) do not travel alone, especially during lock down in a pandemic

They are getting exposed at the same time as their close contacts (usually family)

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The infected close contacts around same age are likely to be siblings who would be going wherever the index case is going, being exposed to the same sources of infection

It is impossible to tease out who the index case infected and who got infected at the same time as them

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We can see from the graph that the older the children (and more mobile/independent) the lower the rate of associated positive close contacts were around the same age

Reduced "infectiousness" seems unlikely to be the cause

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Now it may be the case that infected children are just as infectious; it has been difficult to determine

Indirect evidence from schools/family clusters with known direction of transmission has suggested not, but we can't be certain

This study doesn't get us closer

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What we should have learnt by now is;

-These studies have massive bias for children which cannot be overlooked
-Single studies (no matter how big) should not influence policy without context of previous evidence
-In contact tracing, small and detailed beats big and dirty

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Jul 28
Interesting rebuttal here from @VPrasadMDMPH to punches thrown initially by @adamcifu on the new masking RCT

Lots to like in this piece, but I believe Vinay is very wrong about something in a way that is difficult to see

The placebo effect

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Vinay points correctly to the bias prone endpoint of self reported URTI symptoms and implies the entire difference between groups could be due to “the placebo effect”

The problem is, this is almost
certainly not a result of placebo

It’s detection or ascertainment bias

2/
Vinay describes as much in his piece, when he mentions different interpretations of vague symptoms between people with or without masks depending on their beliefs

Wear a mask and wake up tired? Probably nothing

Not been wearing a mask? Could be the start of something…

3/
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Jul 25
Incredible study 🇳🇴

RCT of surgical masks for reducing respiratory infections

Wearing a mask for 14d reduced onset of symptoms of respiratory infection (OR 0.71, 0.58-0.87)

Absolute risk difference of ~3%

What does this mean?

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bmj.com/content/386/bm…
First, it shows RCTs of population implementation of interventions like masks is of course possible

In fact it is necessary and important to appropriately determine effect size

2/
Second, it shows surgical masks ARE effective at an individual level in the short term of reducing some respiratory infections

Excellent news - although we cannot delineate between respiratory viruses which may behave differently (long range aerosol vs contact etc)

3/
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Jun 10
New study of paxlovid for Post Acute Symptoms of Covid (PASC - also known as "long covid")

It's quite an interesting study actually

Here are my brief thoughts

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The rationale behind this is that some have postulated PASC could be due to viral persistence - SARS-CoV-2 hanging around when it should have been cleared

Anti-virals might help clear the virus and resolve symptoms

2/
The evidence base behind this theory is far from clear, but given the general mess of evidence in the field this seemed like a reasonable trial

It could also serve as possible therapeutic diagnosis (if it works, it gives evidence towards the possible cause)

3/
Read 9 tweets
Jan 11
A few interesting points of data which help us to evaluate some theories re Covid

1) RSV season is now ending in England with the most "normal" wave since the pandemic

Covid related immune problems causing more severe RSV is in the bin 🗑️

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assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/659fe802…
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2) Covid may be peaking (possibly plateauing) with the LOWEST prevalence (via mass testing survey) in all age groups being in school aged children

Schools being unsafe, children being disproportionately affected or spreaders of Covid is in the bin🗑️

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gov.uk/government/sta…
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3) Covid infection to hospitalisation rate by far the lowest we've seen during the pandemic

We can totally bin the idea Covid infections become increasingly severe, or of a meaningful increase in severity from current variants 🗑️🗑️🗑️

3/
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May 3, 2023
This article about masking and RCTs is extremely confused and appears to totally misunderstand everything about clinical trials

I will put to one side the dreadful title (which presumably the authors didn't choose) and explain some of the most important errors in thinking

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First of all, the idea Science "couldn't" produce the answers we needed is false

We are perfectly capable of producing high quality, relevant clinical trials in this area

We just didn't

There are no excuses for this, it's a massive failure

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Second, the idea that the RCTs asked questions they couldn't answer is also false

They set out to answer very specific questions, and they provided useful answers to those questions

If those are not the questions you WANT answered, then we need MORE trials to do that

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Jan 17, 2023
What's happening with GAS in the UK?

The surge has caused a great deal of anxiety and got a lot of attention

Quick update on the situation following new data and some great new analyses

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alasdairmunro.substack.com/p/group-a-stre…
Updated data from UKHSA tells us a few things

Firstly, the data on scarlet fever is now not useful, as it basically just represents awareness

Probably massive overdiagnosis at the peak, no idea where it truly is now

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The data on invasive GAS (iGAS) is more useful as requires microbiological confirmation

Cases have been very high, but possibly flat or declining - difficult to know due to reporting lag, but this is the feeling on the ground

Case fatality still normal, most deaths >65y

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