@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 1/
Let me discuss the details of your argument, as those details are very important. I will present a perspective of how gender critical trans activism might look like and later compare it with your perspective.
Let me discuss the details of your argument, as those details are very important. I will present a perspective of how gender critical trans activism might look like and later compare it with your perspective.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 2/
From my perspective a gender critical trans activist must make a clear distinction between sex determination systems, sex, different primary and secondary sexual characteristics and different aspects of gender which I gonna list in the next tweet.
From my perspective a gender critical trans activist must make a clear distinction between sex determination systems, sex, different primary and secondary sexual characteristics and different aspects of gender which I gonna list in the next tweet.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 3/
Gender consists of (maybe among other things) the expectations and social pressure related to certain behaviours which form a system. That rigid system is considered oppressive by the gender critical movement, mostly towards women.
Gender consists of (maybe among other things) the expectations and social pressure related to certain behaviours which form a system. That rigid system is considered oppressive by the gender critical movement, mostly towards women.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 4/
It's a hierarchy with men above women.
Some other aspects are the way people present themselves e.g. clothes, make-up etc. And yet another aspect is how people are perceived and categorized by the society (the problem of "passing" for trans people).
It's a hierarchy with men above women.
Some other aspects are the way people present themselves e.g. clothes, make-up etc. And yet another aspect is how people are perceived and categorized by the society (the problem of "passing" for trans people).
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 5/
For trans activism an important aspect is gender identity. Gender identity can be understood in different ways and the issue of gender dysphoria also comes into play here.
For trans activism an important aspect is gender identity. Gender identity can be understood in different ways and the issue of gender dysphoria also comes into play here.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 6/
Those aspects must be considered separately. A gender critical trans activist cannot conflate and confuse those issue for the sake of argument. Postmodernist "tricks" are not something a gender critical trans activist accepts.
Those aspects must be considered separately. A gender critical trans activist cannot conflate and confuse those issue for the sake of argument. Postmodernist "tricks" are not something a gender critical trans activist accepts.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 7/
Instead a gender critical trans activist accepts science including biology.
At minimum, a gender critical trans activist acknowledges an importance of sex as different from both sexual characteristics and different aspects of gender.
Instead a gender critical trans activist accepts science including biology.
At minimum, a gender critical trans activist acknowledges an importance of sex as different from both sexual characteristics and different aspects of gender.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 8/
Arguments towards trans acceptance relate to acceptance of people with atypical elements of gender and atypical sexual characteristics for their sex.
Arguments towards trans acceptance relate to acceptance of people with atypical elements of gender and atypical sexual characteristics for their sex.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 9/
A gender critical activist accepts that sex is binary as well as a limited number of sexual characteristics, but some other sexual characteristics are discreete and some other are on a spectrum.
A gender critical activist accepts that sex is binary as well as a limited number of sexual characteristics, but some other sexual characteristics are discreete and some other are on a spectrum.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 10/
From this starting point a gender critical trans activist can make arguments against the binary of the gender system (but acknowledges the binary of sex).
From this starting point a gender critical trans activist can make arguments against the binary of the gender system (but acknowledges the binary of sex).
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 11/
When the starting point is rooted in biology, the remaining elements can be discussed as a discourse of rights between those two oppressed groups.
When the starting point is rooted in biology, the remaining elements can be discussed as a discourse of rights between those two oppressed groups.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 12/
The important aspect of what is called "gender identity" in the trans discourse can be positioned in a different way.
It can be considered a trans right to reject gender stereotypes. It works for both gender critical feminism and trans activism.
The important aspect of what is called "gender identity" in the trans discourse can be positioned in a different way.
It can be considered a trans right to reject gender stereotypes. It works for both gender critical feminism and trans activism.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 13/
Both gender critical feminists and trans activists can subscribe to rejecting gender stereotypes. Trans people often go above simply rejecting them - they also modify their bodies.
Both gender critical feminists and trans activists can subscribe to rejecting gender stereotypes. Trans people often go above simply rejecting them - they also modify their bodies.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 14/
The concept of "gender identity" is not required for trans rights. It can be considered a private belief which other people might not subscribe to.
Trans right should be based on the right to reject gender imposed by the society in both behaviours and bodies.
The concept of "gender identity" is not required for trans rights. It can be considered a private belief which other people might not subscribe to.
Trans right should be based on the right to reject gender imposed by the society in both behaviours and bodies.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 15/
Now let me compare it to your argument.
"…do not mean a claim to female identity"
This statement shows that you do not think in the way of biology vs. gender vs. identity, but you still seem to confuse them.
Now let me compare it to your argument.
"…do not mean a claim to female identity"
This statement shows that you do not think in the way of biology vs. gender vs. identity, but you still seem to confuse them.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 16/
Claims about female "identity" are much less important in gender critical feminism than female sex and female-typical sex characteristics. The focus on identity is what derailed trans activism.
Claims about female "identity" are much less important in gender critical feminism than female sex and female-typical sex characteristics. The focus on identity is what derailed trans activism.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 17/
Instead, the focus should be on trans people bodies on one hand, which are atypical for their sex and on the other hand on trans people acting against stereotypical behaviours of their sex. Those two aspects should be the core of trans activism.
Instead, the focus should be on trans people bodies on one hand, which are atypical for their sex and on the other hand on trans people acting against stereotypical behaviours of their sex. Those two aspects should be the core of trans activism.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 18/
"Of course some trans women may feel so aligned to female identity that they will want to stay there."
Again, the same problem. The spaces are not "female-identity spaces" but "female spaces".
"Of course some trans women may feel so aligned to female identity that they will want to stay there."
Again, the same problem. The spaces are not "female-identity spaces" but "female spaces".
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 19/
"trans women will work out which of these places to go to"
It is not for trans women to decide whether or not they can go to female spaces.
"trans women will work out which of these places to go to"
It is not for trans women to decide whether or not they can go to female spaces.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 20/
"in consideration partly of their own needs and alignment to female identity"
Again, there is a confusion of "female" vs. "female-identified".
"in consideration partly of their own needs and alignment to female identity"
Again, there is a confusion of "female" vs. "female-identified".
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 21/
As you can see from my comments above, I think you should focus on the distinction between "female" vs. "female-identified". This disctinction is very important in the gender critical movement.
As you can see from my comments above, I think you should focus on the distinction between "female" vs. "female-identified". This disctinction is very important in the gender critical movement.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 22/
A person who confuse them cannot probably be aligned with the gender critical perspective.
A person who confuse them cannot probably be aligned with the gender critical perspective.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 23/
Trans activism of the future should move from the "identity" perspective to the rights perspective. Trans people do not have the right to female spaces unless they're female.
Trans activism of the future should move from the "identity" perspective to the rights perspective. Trans people do not have the right to female spaces unless they're female.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 24/
But trans people do have the right to modify their bodies (as adults) and they do have the right to reject social gender in any way. They do have the right to their own beliefs, but they do not have the right to impose those beliefs on others.
But trans people do have the right to modify their bodies (as adults) and they do have the right to reject social gender in any way. They do have the right to their own beliefs, but they do not have the right to impose those beliefs on others.
@GinaGwenffrewi @jk_rowling 25/
And trans people might fight for the right to trans spaces separate from female spaces.
And trans people might fight for the right to trans spaces separate from female spaces.
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