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Oct 27, 2020 8 tweets 3 min read Read on X
Just a reminder as we head toward tomorrow's advance trade data (for September) and the more detailed release next week:

US exports to China of goods covered by the deal normally pick up in the last third of the year.

That is as predictable as the timing of the harvest ...

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Everything has kind of been mucked up for the last two years, though, as China (famously) didn't buy any beans in 2018 (showing the power of the state importing companies).

This year though should be ... more or less normal

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As Chad Bown's detailed numbers* show, ag exports (the sept data for China now comes out early) will be back in line with their 2017 levels (helped by pork) -- but no where close to the big gains promised

*I am shocked @ChadBown included lobsters. Shocked

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But with manufacturing weak*, total U.S. exports are still unlikely to reach 2017 levels, let alone far exceed them.

* There is no advance data for aircraft, and I think the "deal" cheated a bit by allowing orders to count toward the total.

piie.com/blogs/trade-an…

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For fun, I plotted covered exports (so no aircraft) to China as a share of US GDP over the last 10ys. To me the big story is still how undynamic they have been both before and after the "deal"

(they were about 0.4% of US GDP back in 17 ...)

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To paraphrase a bit, China's rapid growth shows up everywhere except in its import data

(especially of manufactures)

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The most dynamic large manufacturing export to China is semiconductor manufacturing equipment, and that one is complicated, as, well China's imports here are a function of an industrial policy designed to reduce China's imports of chips*

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*/ there may be a pull forward effect from the threat of export controls as well

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Jul 4
A good point from the Economist

"This economic logic is flawed—China is suffering a property bust similar to Japan’s all on its own, without Plaza-like constraints"

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Despite the protests from the Global Times and its echo chamber on this and other sites, I am a bit more optimistic about the possibility that China may agree to allow the CNY to appreciate than the Economist

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China won't agree to a "Plaza" deal (any deal will certainly have a different name) but it has allowed its currency to appreciate in the past. The CNY depreciation from 01 to 06 was a big reason for the first China shock & its 07 to 13 appreciation a big part of the solution

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Jul 2
Adam Tooze has highlighted work from the CF40 that attributes the shift in China's trade balance with Germany entirely to autos. Using the Chinese data I get a different result (autos are big, but only ~ 1/3 the change)

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The detailed data shows that most of China's surplus categories (let by electronics -- a broad category that includes phones and car batteries and chips) are growing, while most of Germany's surplus categories are shrinking. Machinery flipped into a deficit last year

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For the EU as a whole, autos are a bit more than a third of the swing (Germany imports relatively few autos from China, so for Germany it is mostly an export swing) and transportation equipment is about half the swing

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Jun 30
This is absurd -- and profoundly wrong. It is useful tho as a guide to the position that China appears to be taking.

There are three obvious errors embedded inside it tho

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The first error is that it is an unreasonable ask from uncompetitive economies. That uncompetitiveness is a function in part of price, and China is the one actively intervening in the market to hold the yuan down. the settlement numbers should this clearly

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nominal and real appreciation was also part of the solution to the first China shock -- if China doesn't want a negotiated deal, fine ... the PBoC already knows how to manage the yuan stronger on its own and China doesn't need big surpluses to generate fx reserves these days

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Jun 29
Trade diplomats the world over tend not to be the best macroeconomist --

"It [Chinese state media] said Chinese companies were no longer as concerned about the European market because they now had options such as south-east Asia or the Middle East."

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As the FT notes, China's surplus with SE Asia is a derivative of US tariffs/ low cost assembly of components in SE Asia ... basically it is a reflection of US demand

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in the Chinese data, the US, ASEAN and the EU general bilateral surpluses equal to about three quarters of China's global surplus (with some Asian netting of HK)

-- So the real statement is that the US market is still an alternative to the EU market right now

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Jun 28
Excellent essay. No doubt one of the defining features of the China shock has been how it has reallocated the global surplus.

The old exportweltmeister has been dethroned -- and China has world scale in advanced manufacturing, which is new and disruptive

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The jump in China's surplus since the start of 2024 is actually understated in dollar terms -- as Chinese export prices have fallen/ volume metrics show a bigger rise. But there has been a huge shift since 2018

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I do think I was among the first to talk of a second China shock -- I was among the first to notice the acceleration in China's auto exports, and I also observed that the rise in China's surplus in manufacturing after 19 was as big as the rise after WTO accession

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Jun 26
I gather that in the eyes of some of the leader writers at the Economist the collapse of German exports to China (down a pp of German GDP led by autos) doesn't have anything to do with today's announced layoffs at VW ...

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It is quite clear in the data that Europe's auto exports to China tanked over the course of 2024 and 2025, and imports from China soared in 25 ...

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and that, combined with competition with China in third party markets across a range of manufactured goods, is an important reason why euro area export growth has stalled

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