Woodside said Minassian did say he wanted to kill more women, though he knew it would be random.
Defence: He saw the group of people at Yonge and Finch and started the attack.
Woodside: He thought 20 kills would be high.
Defence: We don't know when he was thinking that
Woodside said it was part of his account of what he was thinking at the time. Doesn't think he prompted it with a question.
Defence: He was in the second lane from the right. When the light turned green he "floored it" and drove into the people.
Defence: That was a split second decision. The decision to start in that place was a split second.
Woodside agrees.
Defence: Unlike the main plan which he had days, weeks, year to think about, the decision to actually drive on the sidewalk was made "almost instantly."
Woodside agreed.
Defence: He told you there was a young man and young woman in the group.
Woodside: Took from his comments he saw 5 but he mentioned two younger people.
Defence: At that moment as he makes his "momentary decision" he is not thinking about theoretical people.
He is thinking about five people he wants to kill in that moment. The people are not nameless and faceless. He has put faces to them. He makes the decision to hit them and right after that to hit another group of people. He describes that clinically, without emotion.
Defence: He doesn't say he hurt them. He says "he heard a thud." He says everything changed, because what he's done is against the law. Said he wasn't thinking. "Wanted more, was going to continue until he was stopped."
Defence: He said he stopped, "panicked" because a drink splashed on his windshield because he can't see. Not because of the people he has hurt. That was what most concerning, that he could hit a pole and that would stop him. No talk about moral struggles.
He did it so quickly that he initially forgot to post the message on Facebook
Defence: The decision to actually do this was made in a split-second when he was in the wrong lane at Yonge and Finch.
Woodside: That's that moment he makes an irrevocable choice, he'd decided he wanted to do it. He decides he can begin at Yonge and Finch.
Defence: He said he "allowed the van to strike the victims" in the police interview.
Woodside: He says he might as well now.
Defence: Because that decision was made so quickly, regardless of earlier thoughts, his ASD meant he could not take the perspective of the people he saw and knew he was about to kill.
Woodside: Don't agree.
He thought about it for long time, had time to think about the impact. it was an ego-centric act.
Defence: So says the person who hasn't done research on autism spectrum disorder.
Judge: More of a comment than a question.
Done for the day (I always forget to say). Back tomorrow, but cross is likely over. Expect to get to closing arguments at the end of the week
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Back at what is looking like the tail end of evidence at Alek Minassian's trial for the Toronto van attack. The defence has a couple more questions for Dr. Scott Woodside then he'll be done cross.
Defence says Woodside didn't make recordings of his interviews with Minassian, but did anyone else?
Woodside says no.
Now back to talking about the notes vs the report. Did you only make one page of notes for the last five hours of your interview with Minassian?
Woodside says defence has misunderstood if that's what he thinks.
Cross-examination of Dr. Scott Woodside, the Crown's forensic psychiatrist who doesn't think Alek Minassian is not criminally responsible, has begun. Starts with the defence asking about the process of the assessment.
Defence: It's a back and forth conversation?
Woodside: Within certain limits. He could answer as he chose, would ask follow up questions. Let him take the time to say what is important to him. There is structure and areas they need to cover but he has "fair bit of freedom"
Defence: You want build a rapport and get him to talk
Woodside: Within limits, needs to be clear I am not a friend or advocate. Clear from the start that what they tell me could be in the report to the judge.
Crown prosecutor John Rinaldi is continuing his examination-in-chief of Dr. Scott Woodside today. Here is where you can follow along with a summary of Woodside's from yesterday: thestar.com/content/thesta…
We start off today with the judge suggesting the lawyers can make oral arguments on the facts and written submissions on the law (one way to save time). The trial was set to end on Dec. 18 but it's looking like we may go into the week of the 21st which creates staffing issues
She wants to hear oral arguments on the facts while the evidence is fresh in her mind which is why she doesn't want to put them off till later, but submissions on the law can come later.
We are back up today, and still talking about the Vineland-3 test of adaptive function which we went through in excruciating detail yesterday. Crown expert, forensic psychologist Dr. Percy Wright, said the test doesn't provide an accurate view of Minassian's function as an adult
(This is Alek Minassian's trial for 10 counts of first-degree murder and 16 counts of attempted murder. He is seeking to be found not criminally responsible for running down pedestrians in a rented van on Yonge St. on April 23, 2018).
The defence has started cross-examination of Dr. Percy Wright, whose testimony yesterday is summarized here: thestar.com/news/gta/2020/…
The questions start with asking how Dr. Wright chooses what to include in the report. He says it's guided by his clinical understanding. Defence says it's at his discretion, sometimes uses quotes, sometimes summarizes. He agrees.
(This is a line of questioning inspired by the Crown repeatedly calling the defence expert selective and misleading for not including parts of what Minassian said in the interviews)
Also happening now is the sentencing hearing for Richard Isaac. 13 people are giving victim impacts for Victoria Selby-Readman. Crown seeking a life with no parole for 18 years.
"This crime is truly beyond anyone's comprehension. It is just unbelievable," said Selby-Readman's mother. The violent murder of her daughter has been soul-destroying for her.
In her sentencing submissions, Crown prosecutor Tania Monteiro referenced Isaac escalating pattern of violence against women.