THREAD: a point worth addressing is "how would/should VP respond if GOP retained its majority, then voted to suspend/amend a Senate Rule depriving the presiding officer of power." Paragraph 6 of the article wasn't as strong as it could have been, on that point.
The problem with that attack is encapsulated in the Senate's official history (cited graf 7) - senate.gov/artandhistory/…
The Senate's official history on its dot.gov site recounts the Constitutional fact that the majority leader's presiding powers are derivative.
A power informally delegated by the VP can be taken back, so the Senate history accurately describes the majority leader as "an emperor without clothes." So, if the VP used presiding power to give priority to a senator moving a House-passed bill to the floor, and . . .
. . . the House purported to override that action by 1) self-recognizing the ML to do something different, and then 2) sustaining a point of order limiting the VP's presiding power, what would be the legal basis and remedy for that action?
Several principles intersect here that arise from agency rulemaking. But first, we have to recognize the Supremacy Clause - the Constitution is a superior law to any other law, rule or precedent.
The Senate Rules describe the powers of the Presiding Officer, and can be suspended or amended by the majority, but that action would not be valid if it deprived the VP of her constitutional presiding power. The Constitution is supreme over the rule, not the other way around.
Then, look at Senate Rules restricting the presiding power like other rulemaking - it must be within the scope of statutory (or, here, constitutional) authorization. The Constitution endows Senate with power to "chuse its other officers" BUT not the presiding officer.
Only a Constitutional amendment could divest the VP. So to the extent Senate Rules were applied to do so, it would violate Art. 1 Sec. 3 and the Supremacy Clause.
And then, return to the idea that the majority leader's presiding power is derivative/delegated by the VP . . .
. . . or, a glass cannot be smaller than the water poured from it. If the Senate limited the presiding officer's powers, those limitations must apply to the majority leader and VP equally, or conversely would be an unconstitutional limitation of the VP's presiding power.
We have precedent in the agency context, analyzing whether a rulemaking exceeds statutory authority. The Constitution being the supreme statute under its own Supremacy Clause, rulemaking that made the derivative ML power larger than VP's power would violate those precedents.
How would that play out? If VP recognized a Senator to move a bill, and Mitch tried to stop her? A floor fight on this topic COULD generate a Supreme Court petition, and in this hypothetical, VP would have standing to petition, and I believe the court would hear it. . . .
. . . and resolve in her favor. Would that take more than a minute? Sure? Is it worth teeing up and doing? Good God, there are hundreds of House-passed bills that would save and improve American lives.
Many have wide popular support and would draw enough GOP votes to pass the Senate, or cause the rejecting Senators to lose their seats if their votes were on record. Sure, it's worth doing. And even the possibility of divesting the ML's power, seriously posed, could deter abuse.
Another point was raised - didn't the early Senate successfully rebel against the VP's presiding powers? Such data prior to Marbury v. Madison isn't relevant to the framework here, because at that time, SCOTUS did not assert jurisdiction to review laws or rulemaking.
I hope this is helpful, and I am still happy to address any "debunking" if it is cited. Several have said "but this was already debunked," but thus far no one has presented that putative "debunking" to me for review.
(That dot-gov link wasn't supposed to be a link. The real link is above it.)
My head was seemingly doing this constitutional/rulemaking analysis when I wrote the article,but I failed to fully unpack and explain it. Always a mistake, whether for judges or the public! So consider this thread my reply brief, if you will.
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Also, perhaps they just didn’t think of it. The Constitution’s clear that the VP is President of the Senate. The essence of being President (of anything) is to preside over it. And that’s exactly how it was done until 1937 (per official Senate history linked in the article).
I visualize @KamalaHarris taking gavel, recognizing 2 pre-arranged senators to move and second frozen House bills to the floor, then te-delegating to the Senate MINORITY leader to continue business. Mitch might then come hat in hand with a deal to get his presiding power back.
I hear talk about "sedition," which is a criminal offense prosecuted only by prosecutors who choose to do so.
Query who might have standing to sue under related CIVIL statute 5 USC 7311 "Loyalty and Striking."
Sec. 7311 is mostly known as the anti-federal-strike statute, because it prohibits labor strikes against the federal government. But it also bars any person who "advocates the overthrow of our constitutional form of government" from holding a position in the US government.
I'd argue Trump's approaches to various governors and officials, demanding they discard the duly chosen electors and replace them with a slate friendly to Trump, are square within the definition of "advocacy of overthrow."
Really simple. How many South Koreans lost their jobs? Zero. Bc their government swiftly implemented widespread testing, followed by contact tracing and complete isolation.
And South Korea ensured that ppl who had to stay home were compensated, and ensured that the quarantines were real and not some heh-heh-if-you’re-white-you-don’t-hafta joke.
The South Korean government wore masks to show ppl the risk was real and important, in contrast to Trump who mocked masks and mask-wearers, and taunted safer state governments to “liberate!”
While looking at campaign tactics, and trying to predict what the Berners will do next, I keep coming back to “accelerationism.” It’s the naive belief that change will come faster if we destroy our government and start over.
Yes, change will come.
But not the change we want.
Name a time when a revolution destroyed a constitutional democratic republic, and replaced it with another, better constitutional democratic republic.
I’ll wait.
(That’s not what happens. Authoritarianism results from revolutions against democracy.)
“But wait - didn’t America start from a revolution?”
Of course. But it was a revolution to overthrow authoritarianism and replace it with infant-form democracy.
Revolutions that overthrow democracies don’t create new democracies.