Fundamentally the demands of Hindu nationalists have always been very just, we have just wanted one country to be ours. The Muslims & Christians have their countries, even the Buddhists have theirs.
Why should we be the only people on Earth to have to sacrifice for secularism?
We are morally right, historically right, and legally entitled to have India as ours. The other side is morally incorrect, historically incorrect and has no real fundamental right to India.
I have told this exact argument to everyone who is a skeptic and I repeat it like a broken clock always till the person just has no answer to the question: why should we be the only people to not have a country of our own?
Man get a grip if you think your people deserve to have the entirety of the US, Canada, Australia to themselves in addition to Europe. What makes you so entitled? Your homeland is Europe, you do not have exclusive ownership of the New World. Stop being a kid w the entitlement.
Are you pretending to be stupid? Gain a semblance of reality and stop being a terminally belligerent online fighter. Look, the LAND your people rest on is excellent land (unlike say Japan).
Muh "built the countries", I am talking about your land. The place you grow your crops, feed your animals, drill your oil and build your homes. The land is not yours and you are not entitled to some 999 year lease of it just because Western Europeans were the first Old Worlders to reach it.
This has gotta be a lesson in the child like entitlement of Western Europeans. They actually feel they are morally or legally entitled to just squat on half the world with 20 million people residing in an entire continent all to themselves in addition to Europe lol
Being a conservative and religious traditional Hindu is never enough, being a political Hindu matters a lot more. Narasimhan Rao used to think being a South Indian Brahmin who could quote scripture and Sanskrit meant he would have enough sway with BJP, RSS, VHP leaders that Babri would never fall. He was wrong.
Rao personally met Advani in a safe house in the last week of December where he was given assurance Babri wouldn't fall. Kalyan Singh had also given his word, so had Bhairon Singh Shekhawat.
Rao had decided not to dismiss the Kalyan Singh government on the basis of all these assurances.
2 lakh Kar Sevaks had gathered around Ayodhya.
12 pm, December 6, 1992 the destruction of Babri would begin like a long line of dominoes falling one after the other.
Genetic results of a friend of mine. @TPeshwa. He's an Iyengar from Karnataka. I'm posting his results because he has blonde hair and blue eyes but is 100% South Indian in Admixture.
This is important to make people understand that your genotype is not equal to your phenotype.
In older times when DNA science did not exist, it's easy to see why people made the honest mistake of thinking anyone with such features in a subcontinent full of mostly swarthy people has foreign ancestry (think of how Chitpavans were seen as Jewish)
In 23andMe, the South Indian Subgroup means "Southern Brahmin" and it's a unique classifier only Brahmins get. This means that he's 100% Dravida Brahmin in ancestry.
For example, a non Brahmin from South Indian won't get the "subgroup" result on 23andMe.
A thread on the the historical progression of Hinduism and Hellenism. Quoting for higher visibility.
Hindus and Greeks started of very similar. Both had shared origins, shared epics, similar religious pantheons, myths and systems of morality. Both were living in places surrounded by once great civilizations. Both had a similar environment, surrounded by other polytheistic cultures, it was an abundance of Gods and Goddesses, sacrifices, deified heroes, and remnants of a Bronze Age culture mingling with an urban one.
However, there was one key difference which happens right at the beginning. Indics & Iranics, unlike any other polytheists of the time, and unlike the Greeks, begin a very early canonization of their source material, of the oldest hymns in their religion. They systematically compile these oral hymns into books, note down the individual poet's name, the names of the diety, and canonize the whole corpus as divine, sacred and immutable. This gives the foundations of our religion a security of supra-Biblical proportions, an anchor point from where it all begins. NO other polytheist has such a canon. The Greeks have their orally transmitted Epics, just as we do, but they do not really consider them so profane so as to not question them, not doubt their divine character, neither are these Epics canonically binding on every Hellene as the "source" of their cults, nor do they provide an explanation of their ritual or religion.
Unlike the Iranics, the Indics also develop a varnashrama or a society based on four codified varnas "castes" where the priestly caste spent centuries explaining the hymns of the Vedas and the ritual behind them. This leads to philosophical explanation of the ritual, and you can say by 400-500 BCE, the entirety of what defines Hindu philosophy, ritual, pantheon has already come into existence.
In contrast, the Greeks have a flourishing civilization in Mycene but after the Bronze Age Collapse, they have to start from scratch and they have neither the Vedas (canonical text), nor the ritualistic explanations, philosophy or a dedicated priestly class who considers this corpus its personal responsibility.
This is based on a conversation I had with @ResonantPyre an year ago, but I am expanding it to include a broader time period (and to save time).
In Greece, you had Homer and Hesiod given somewhat quasi-canonical status but there never was a "Bible" which bound all Hellenes and over which they wrote extensive commentaries, etc So what was the approach the Greeks used? There was some diversity when it comes to this. One clear trend was that the Gods of Mycene Greece were seen as corporeal, immanent and as taking part in human life. Coming to earth, meeting humans, fathering children, having relationships, getting involved in wars. Once the philosophers started applying reason to their own native religion, there was a gradual move away from the corporeality and historical immanence of the Gods. Epicureans had pseudo-deist positions, Xenophanes famously said animals would have Gods that looked and talked like animals, thus moving away from anthropomorphization; Euhemerus said they were deified men, and Prodicus thought they were deified nature itself. Socrates began the criticism of the epic poets, saying they had misrepresented the Gods, and the criticism of the playwrighters. It was continued by Plato and Aristotle, but toned down and generally reverence was shown to Homer and Hesiod.
This tension is finally "solved" by the Neoplatonists who manage to reconcile all the contradictory positions, the metaphysics of Plato, the hieratic rites, the scandalous myths and plurality of the divine in their system.
First-hand accounts immediately before partition in East Punjab describing caste relations between Hindu and Muslim Rajputs, and how the Pakistan Movement brought out religious loyalties across the board.