Wintemute asks "Did the Employment Tribunal correctly distinguish the claimant’s belief from hypothetical (speculative, future) harmful action that might involve
discrimination against, or harassment of, a transgender co-worker or customer? "
He considers the case of Ladele - a registrar whose religious belief meant she would not conduct same sex weddings - her belief could not be accommodated, because she had chosen to act on it in a way that caused harm to others.
And Ngole, a student social worker who won his case " I never advocated any hate...towards people who are in same sex relationships. ... I never stated that people in same sex relationships should be treated differently.."
Wintemute notes "Ms Forstater was not dismissed because of her treatment of any transgender person, such as a co-worker or a customer of her employer..but because of her co-workers’ intolerance of her unfashionable (to them) belief that, in some situations, sex matters"
"The Employment Tribunal noted her statements (on Twitter and to the Tribunal) that her belief would generally not be translated into action, especially in her workplace"
"Despite her stating that she would generally be polite and kind, the Employment Tribunal was concerned that Ms Forstater might harass a transgender person in the workplace, even though there was no evidence that she had ever done so"
The Tribunal merged hypothetical harmful action into M Forstater’s belief despite the absence of any evidence that she had failed to respect the dignity in the past, and despite the evidence that she would generally respect the dignity in the course of her employment
The Tribunal then described this hypothetical action (‘refer[ring] to a person by the sex she considered appropriate’) as a ‘core component of her belief’, which made her belief ‘not worthy of respect in a democratic society’
Wintemute concludes "If the ET had correctly made the essential distinction between belief & action, without merging hypothetical harmful action into Ms Forstater’s belief, it would have concluded that her belief is ‘worthy of respect in a democratic society’."
"Whether one agrees or disagrees w Ms Forstater’s belief in two immutable biological sexes, her belief can hardly be put at the same level as Holocaust denial or incitement to violence. "
The ET erred in law by distorting the 5th Grainger criterion, w the effect of sweeping into the ‘not worthy of respect’ category any belief that some persons might find ‘offensive’ & therefore consider harassment, if (hypothetically) it were expressed directly in the workplace.
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The gender critical academics had made some measured claims in their oral evidence
Kathleen Stock said there is no reason to think that once a male person self IDs as a woman they are no longer subject to the statistical generalisations that apply to the male sex
Angela Crawley MP suggested they were saying that all males who identify as women are potentially dangerous.
Alice Sullivan said no, thats not what they were saying. Women not wanting to undress in front of males does not mean you think they are all violent abusers.
Incentives for girls to attend school
Availability of contraception
Laws mandate sex education in schools
Separate toilets & sanitation facilities
Labour market non discrimination
Sexual harassment laws
Female role models
None of this makes sense or is possible unless govts recognise sex
No mention of gender fluidity here
They do include the Q
"Does the law prohibit discrimination by creditors on the basis of sex or gender?"
This time last year @SarahbaxterSTM@thesundaytimes made a half-correction (but didn't apologise) for using the title of an article I didn't write to make claims about me and call me "a very rude person"
In the first version Lavery claimed I lost my job after tweeting "pronouns are rohypnol"
Lavery has a thing about this: wanting me to be known as Maya "pronouns are rohypnol" Forstater and linking my name to this article and Lavery's interpretation of it persistently
Her focus is on the conservative values of liberty, agency, and fairness, and on moving the equality agenda out of identity politics and into the geographic inequality.... and literally moving the Equality Hub up North so the decisions are outside of the London bubble.
However you judge the authenticity or effectiveness of conservative commitments and policies on inequality, there is lots in the speech to like, and the degree of influence of the arguments that we have been making is unmissable.