Is anybody really buying this? thelancet.com/journals/lanin…
“lost control” narrative
“The speed of China's response was the crucial factor. They moved very quickly to stop transmission. Other countries, even though they had much longer to prepare for the arrival of the virus, delayed their response and that meant they lost control”.
“The speed of China's response was the crucial factor. They moved very quickly to stop transmission. Other countries, even though they had much longer to prepare for the arrival of the virus, delayed their response and that meant they lost control”.
Does any epidemiologist believe viruses can be “controlled”?
“As of Oct 4, 2020, China had confirmed 90 604 cases of COVID-19 and 4739 deaths, while the USA had registered 7 382 194 cases and 209 382 deaths. The UK has a population 20x smaller than China yet it has seen 5x as many cases of COVID-19 and almost 10x as many deaths.”
Influenza data is relatable. Explain this conundrum: in 2018, while the US had >60K deaths from P&I, China (with >4x the population of the US) had only 144
https://twitter.com/mindgomes/status/1241758854838390786?s=21https://t.co/g0XyveqSMN
Another conundrum from the same virus (influenza) and same year (2018): less than 2% of China’s population is vaccinated against influenza.
https://twitter.com/mindgomes/status/1241761755304472578?s=21https://t.co/hDZVNWKeTp
How did China go from being hardly vaccinated against influenza to manufacturing five vaccines for Covid? bloomberg.com/news/articles/…
“China's fledgling pharmaceutical industry has at least five vaccines from four producers being tested in more than a dozen countries.”
“Analysts said that the vaccination rate this year could hit a record high of 4 percent, as everyone is suggested to take an influenza vaccine under the impact of COVID-19.” globaltimes.cn/content/120122…
“The question of vaccinating the public was one of balancing ‘risks and benefits,’ pointing to factors like cost and potential side effects. There isn't currently a need for mass vaccination at this stage though that could change if another serious outbreak takes place, Gao said”
“There have been a few flare-ups…but these were met with immediate lockdown measures and mass testing, and the outbreaks were contained within a few weeks.”
“Gao cited these brief outbreaks as evidence of China's effective containment measures. ‘The facts have proven that we have several magic weapons to respond to the epidemic,’ he said, according to China News Service.
So China has “several magic weapons” that have allowed it to contain a virus that has run rampant elsewhere? California was the first state in the US to lockdown and that produced opposite results.
Very little is still known regarding influenza transmission yet China has “magic” regarding Covid?
https://twitter.com/mindgomes/status/1336893406593884162?s=21https://t.co/xLol7698BC
How is China able to maintain constant virus-vigilance on a population of 1.4B people?
China is able to stop a novel corona virus in humans yet is unable to arrest African swine flu in pigs? Isn’t the pig population easier to control? Millions were slaughtered over the last few years to stop the spread (which hasn’t worked). New swine virus reuters.com/article/us-chi…
“two years ago, swine fever wiped out half of China's 400 million-head pig herd.”
“Research has shown that deleting some MGF360 genes from African swine fever creates immunity. But the modified virus was not developed into a vaccine because it tended to later mutate back to a harmful state.”
Lab fabricated
“‘You can sequence these things, these double deletions, and if it's exactly the same as described in the lab, it's too much of a coincidence, because you would never get that exact deletion,’"
“‘You can sequence these things, these double deletions, and if it's exactly the same as described in the lab, it's too much of a coincidence, because you would never get that exact deletion,’"
“There is no approved vaccine for African swine fever. But many Chinese farmers struggling to protect their pigs have resorted to unapproved products, industry insiders and experts said. They fear illicit vaccines have created accidental infections, which are now spreading.”
Illicit vaccines? Who would have the ability to create a thing? Surely not some pig farmer.
“China is the world's largest producer and consumer of vaccines, and can supply more than 1 billion doses of a vaccine annually from 40 manufacturers across the country.”
“China is the world's largest producer and consumer of vaccines, and can supply more than 1 billion doses of a vaccine annually from 40 manufacturers across the country.”
(source of quote) cnn.com/2020/09/14/asi…
A useful detour in my opinion that shows the volatile nature of viral spread. If a virus can’t be contained among farm animals (which by nature are already on isolated farms) how is the Chinese government able to stop a new virus among humans? Why can’t it stop influenza spread?
The elephant in the room of course is the potential that China’s CDC is providing false data/statistics. In other words it could be lying.
“Poland noted that the Chinese accept the notion that disease control is a matter of science. ‘China does not have the kind of raucous anti-vaccine, anti-science movement that is trying to derail the fight against COVID-19 in the USA’, he said.”
It’s all about “science”, heh?
It’s all about “science”, heh?
Again, the Chinese can’t control an outbreak of swine flu in captive pig populations yet it can contain a new corona virus that has moved on to the next victims long before symptoms even appear? This is not “science”, it’s propaganda by The Lancet.
The China Success Story™️ is essentially this:
if you’re gonna lockdown then do it full-throttle, not halfway.
The Lancet buys into this notion and in so doing admits that it accepts authoritarianism and a police state as the only way to combat a viral outbreak. That’s science?
if you’re gonna lockdown then do it full-throttle, not halfway.
The Lancet buys into this notion and in so doing admits that it accepts authoritarianism and a police state as the only way to combat a viral outbreak. That’s science?
Again the key points:
-Wuhan was placed under a strict lockdown that lasted 76 days
-public transport was suspended
-similar measures were implemented in every city in Hubei province
-14 000 health checkpoints were established at public transport hubs
-Wuhan was placed under a strict lockdown that lasted 76 days
-public transport was suspended
-similar measures were implemented in every city in Hubei province
-14 000 health checkpoints were established at public transport hubs
-population movements were severely curtailed
-only one member of each household was permitted to leave the home every couple of days to collect necessary supplies
-it set up a national system of contact tracing
-the Chinese readily adopted mask wearing
-only one member of each household was permitted to leave the home every couple of days to collect necessary supplies
-it set up a national system of contact tracing
-the Chinese readily adopted mask wearing
-drones equipped with echoing loudspeakers rebuked Chinese citizens who were not following the rules
-those who entered the country were tested and quarantined
-patients who started to show symptoms of severe disease were quickly transferred to conventional hospitals
-those who entered the country were tested and quarantined
-patients who started to show symptoms of severe disease were quickly transferred to conventional hospitals
When viewed as a whole, these measures are extremely invasive; and though portrayed by The Lancet as “scientific” they are actually only enforceable via a police state which can launch drones to follow people and chastise them; force sick people from their homes to hospitals; +
use technology to trace where one has been and the contacts made with others; forcibly keep people locked in their homes; establish checkpoints and abolish public transport.
What kind of society is this? It surely isn’t “socialist”. These kind of measures are only achievable +
What kind of society is this? It surely isn’t “socialist”. These kind of measures are only achievable +
under threat of State force. But even “State force” is no match for a virus by the simple fact that once symptoms first appear, others have already been infected and they in turn are infecting others and so on exponentially. Drones and checkpoints are no match for a virus.
Interesting fact: just before the Chinese lunar new year, and just after the CoronaVirus outbreak in Wuhan, 5 million Chinese left Wuhan before lockdown was imposed there. Weird how those 5M didn’t carry the virus elsewhere and spread it throughout China.
https://twitter.com/comradedoom86/status/1353450934865588233?s=21https://t.co/5CXqYkgthb
Kind of the “smoking gun”. The Lancet berated the U.K./US for 150K going to a horse racing meet and 460K going to Sturgis. How did 5M Chinese leaving the infection epicenter slip their memory? 
“Chinese workers get a week off work, from January 24-30. For many, it's the only time they get to go home during the year, which may explain the desperation to leave Wuhan in the face of an impending quarantine.”
Wuhan lockdown was instituted on 1-23-20.
Wuhan lockdown was instituted on 1-23-20.
“China has deployed an arsenal to confront the virus: universal cellphone-tracking apps, digital log-in systems to register people’s movements, sophisticated track-and-trace services and an immense testing capacity that can screen millions of people a day for COVID-19.”
“The Chinese approach to COVID-19 has differed considerably from those in Western democracies.”
The word “democracies” was specifically chosen to establish a political versus health comparison. Why not write “Western societies”?
The word “democracies” was specifically chosen to establish a political versus health comparison. Why not write “Western societies”?
“But the enforcement of rigid lockdowns has allowed China to so thoroughly diminish virus transmission that the intensive measures have been limited in their duration.”
In other words, “We are (supposed) democracies yet we pine for being able to do what the PRC did. Sigh...”
In other words, “We are (supposed) democracies yet we pine for being able to do what the PRC did. Sigh...”
“Indeed, across China, life has largely returned to normal since late last spring, largely sparing Chinese citizens the repeated cycles of stiffening and relaxing measures that have engendered prolonged economic pain and growing anger in many Western countries.”
“China, by contrast, has reported a single COVID-19 death in the past eight months.”
1.4B people. And only 1 CV19 death in the last 8 months.
Who believes this?
1.4B people. And only 1 CV19 death in the last 8 months.
Who believes this?
“‘Lockdowns, when done thoroughly, obviously work,’ said Dale Fisher, a professor of medicine at the National University of Singapore, who was among the 25 delegates in a World Health Organization mission to China last February.”
It’s so obvious. The West didn’t do it properly…
It’s so obvious. The West didn’t do it properly…
“China is ‘not trying to live with the virus. They’re trying to keep it out,’ he said.”
Hmm. And this guy is a professor of medicine?? I’d like to hear him explain how to keep a virus out of a country once it gets in. Where did CV19 go in China? Is it eradicated already?
Hmm. And this guy is a professor of medicine?? I’d like to hear him explain how to keep a virus out of a country once it gets in. Where did CV19 go in China? Is it eradicated already?
“China’s measures may not be reproducible in countries without similar systems of social control. China’s authoritarian government can easily track people by cellphones registered to national identification cards, while using neighbourhood-level administration to enforce orders.”
That article was based on this which still hasn’t been peer-reviewed after 8 months. medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
“China’s COVID-19 statistics fall outside of recognized and accepted medical norms. Here we estimated the incidence, death and starting time of the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan and China based on cremation related information.”
“Our estimates are based on investigative media reports of crematory operations in Wuhan, which is considered as a common data end point to life.”
Funeral urns
“The estimates of cumulative deaths, based on both funeral urns distribution and continuous full capacity operation of cremation services up to March 23, 2020, give results around 36,000, more than 10 times of the official death toll of 2,524.”
“The estimates of cumulative deaths, based on both funeral urns distribution and continuous full capacity operation of cremation services up to March 23, 2020, give results around 36,000, more than 10 times of the official death toll of 2,524.”
Of course there’s no information provided as to how any of this cremation/urn data was gathered.
Interesting article here from @phl43 quillette.com/2020/09/06/the…
He pushes back on some things I’ve mentioned here; I still don’t think it’s possible to “lockdown” a virus, especially when 5M were cut loose from Wuhan pre-lockdown.
He pushes back on some things I’ve mentioned here; I still don’t think it’s possible to “lockdown” a virus, especially when 5M were cut loose from Wuhan pre-lockdown.
Further, statistics from all other countries are tainted/unreliable due to PCR failure as well as misassignment of cause-of-death (eg heart attack victim with Covid is dead from Covid). This makes comparisons between countries almost impossible. Quite a mess has been created...
“Among confirmed cases of COVID-19 in China outside of Hubei province, the mean period between symptom onset in an infector and an infectee was 3.96 days, much shorter than that of SARS (8.4 days) and MERS (14.6 days).” jwatch.org/na51171/2020/0…
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