Most Hindus don’t understand this (Sikhs do even less).
Neither Sanatan nor Sikhi is “monotheistic.” Monotheism is an ideology of supremacy, the elevation of a petty tribal god to the pretense of the Universal. It is ignorant tribalism universalized.
हिंदी में “”मॉनॉथीइज़म “ का अनुवाद है एक ईश्वरबाद। यह ईसाई धारा पर आधारित ग़लत अनुवाद है। ईश्वर तो एक ही है, इसमें विवाद क्या। मॉनॉथीइज़म का अनुवाद होना चाहिए “एक दैविकता”। एक ही देव है। लेकिन ऐसा कोई देव नहीं है केवल राक्षस वृत्ति है, हरिणयकश्यप जैसी।
A cow is more real than the imaginary "creator god." Kinder too. Definitely gentler and more worthy of respect than the cruel, vindictive, jealous and insecure imaginary "creator" throwing people into "hell."
Lol, your fantasy "creator" can't throw anyone into hell. Eternal hell and heaven (with whiskey and sex with "virgins") are useful for motivating barbaric male armies but little else. I don't worry about Allah, but his "believers" who create hell on earth.
Oh yes, CAPITAL LETTERS. You've made me a BELIEVER. How could I doubt your CREATOR. 😏
Wake up from these childish ideas of some "god" tormenting you hell and in heaven. Your mind does that here and now. Don't waste your life in silly rules and fears.
The "Allah" who had a "last prophet" certainly doesn't exist. It comes from a very limited sense of time. Why would this "Allah" stop sending prophets? There are certainly plenty of confused Muslims fighting each other today, they could use another one.
And as far as slavery goes, this "last prophet for all times" names 70 acts that are sinful, but not enslaving other human beings. In fact, Islamic countries were last to outlaw slavery, that too under pressure from the West.
Lol, why did Allah send such a confusing "last message" that innumerable sects fight over interpreting it correctly,. Shouldn't you ask for a new prophet to fix that?
Lol, really? Then why would there be so many schools of Islamic jurisprudence and so many contradictory fatwas and mullahs fighting each other. ("Music is haram", "music is not haram" ...)
I'm glad you agree that I'm representing your ideology accurately. This thread was actually for moronic Hindus who don't get that intolerance is inherent in your ideology and think that singing "Ishwar allah tere naam" will fix it. But others jumped in.
"Worship" is an Abrahamic concept "Pooja" (पूजा) is not worship. It means to revere and respect, to pay attention to. We even do "shastra pooja", pooja of our tools.
In Abrahamism "worship" is reserved for the "true god", otherwise it is "shirk."
Lol "na tasya pratima asti" means, of which there is no image. Like saying "love is inexpressible." That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with expressing love. Quite different from the psychotic "I'll roast you in hell if you try to make an image."
It is not "33 million gods." It is about 33 types of energies, but let that be.
The world is diverse. Is there only one type of flower or fruit or tree? Diversity is joyous, natural. Why would the Universal Consciousness not express in many Divine forms?
Learn to think for yourself. Don't have to keep repeating with the Maulvis say, keep trying to fit everything to justify one "Holy Book." Set aside the dogmas drilled into you and you'll realize what I'm saying is simple and natural. 😌 Like diversity is.
You need to sharpen on your understanding more than one primitive "creator" god. Do you know what "Advaita" means? And who is this "creator." What does "he" create, out of what?
That happens only in fantasy or kiddie magic shows. Nothing is created out of nothing. Think scientifically, not from a fantasy of an imaginary "being." What did this "Allah" create the world out of, and what is the need for a "creator" at all?
If the creator just popped up why can't the universe just pop up too? 😏 The creator has to be an incredibly complex being no, to create the universe. How did "he" just pop up? And if "he" did why not the universe.
The universe could also always exist, doesn't need to be "created." No "supreme being" to create things by magic is needed. And where does this "supreme being" live btw, can we spot him with a telescope?
When is this “Judgment Day” when Allah will sort people into heaven-hell and Earth will be destroyed (is it only Earth or the entire universe, did Allah tell?) So many poor sods are rotting in graves waiting for this, at least share the date.
These are Christian/Abrahamic theological descriptions, they have nothing to do with Indic thought. Rather we need to use our terminology to explain them. Monotheism/polytheism are both nonsensical.
Oh I’m not worried . But shouldn’t you be worried?
Sounds like a scam where you pay now and the delivery doesn’t even have a date. If a company did this they’d be sued for deceptive marketing. But calli it “religion” and scare people to “believe.”
Arre bhai, on that date, on that date kar rahe ho, date to bata do.
You spend your whole life following minute rules all in preparation for "judgement day" but you don't even have a date for it? I'd be pretty worried that it's a scam if I were you.
No, it just means that you are uncomfortable with infinity. This is why it took hundreds of years before Arabs and Europeans could understand the mathematics of zero and infinity from India. Still don't quite get it.
Lol, there is nothing to challenge in that claim. It is simply an assumption. The universe can be infinite. No "first cause" is needed. The Nasidaya sukta is much more elegant.
This making "Allah/God" logically contingent is cognitively uninteresting.
There is much to be grateful for, to our parents, to the Universe. But I don’t need to believe in this wrathful Allah and a 7th century Holy Book for that.
Making the story of one tribe to the “universal god” for all people is the issue.
If you admit of translatability it is not a problem. Problem comes from exclusivism. For me it can be Rama for you Allah. When you seek to impose one set of rules, one prophet, that is the problem.
Tulsidas has a long discourse on that. Ram is a name for the Universal Consciousness and also of the one who was born and died. One who was born and died embodies the Universal as an avatar.
But if Allah is not a specific god Indian Muslims can use the word “Bhagwan”, no?
Religious imperialism of monotheism. Christians use the strategy of "inculturation" to appropriate native symbols in India e.g.. But the Islamists who claim "Allah is simply Arabic for God" would block its use for non-Muslims. Monopoly power struggles.
Funny thread. Accuses me of ad hominems, when I didn't attack anyone personally, only the concepts of monotheism. However he starts his entire thread with an ad hominem.🤣 One can't really think for oneself when one twists into pretzels defending a dogma.
Found this wonderful article by Prof. Ravi Ravindra who had originally coined the term "my-theism" for monotheism. The problem with monotheism is the claim of the "monopoly on truth" which each monotheism has, denying others their own path and experience.
Each monotheism is a "truth claim" combined with a "god claim." Of course, each of the truth claims contradicts the other. Islam contradicts Christianity and its claim of Jesus as "Son of God" and "Savior", Christianity rejects Islam's claim it is "God's revelation" and so on.
Each truth claim is: 1. Monopolistic. One and only one can be true. 2. With divine sanction, so human beings have no ability to change it. 3. Totalitarian. It seeks to subordinate all aspects of individual life to this truth claim.
This creates "camp followers" not seekers.
Similarly each "god claim" is exclusive.
Each "god" has a particular history. In Judaism he has a "Chosen People", in Christianity he has an "Only Begotten Son" and in Islam the "Last Prophet." But every people from the Egyptians to the Mayans had their own "god story."
Every tribe, every people have their own story with a "creation myth." This does not create conflict.
Conflict arises in Monotheism because the history and story of one people is *universalized*. So the history and belief of one people is made into the history of all people.
Conflict arises when the idea of a "chosen people" is made into a universal truth claim, when the history of one people is to become "the" god of all peoples. When the prophet of one people becomes the "last prophet" for all people and so on. This is why monotheism="my-theism."
Thus "My god " = "THE god."
As Ravindra says: "no other religious notion has had a more pernicious consequence in creating bigotry and fanaticism than monotheism. Monotheism has resulted everywhere in “my-theism,” leading to warfare against other people’s religious forms.
Communism takes the template of monotheism and extends it to materialism. The history of Europe becomes the history of the world. European Orientalist history becomes universal "historical materialism." All nations are a pale variation of that story.
There are other kinds of violence in the world but the primary factor of *religious* violence is Abrahamic monotheism. Also seeds racism, colonialism, Eurocentrism, totalitarianism and terrorism.
It is characterized by "monopolistic truth claims" which deny the "other."
"Bigotry" defined: "obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief or opinion; prejudice against people on the basis of their membership of a particular group."
Monotheism creates "obstinate attachment to belief" and prejudice against "unbelievers."
Monotheism elevates the history of one people as "the history", and one tribal god as "the god."
Al-lah was likely the designation for Hubal, one of the gods of main gods of the Quraysh tribe to which Muhammad belonged.
"Allah is a god originating in polytheism."
This is why both Allah and Jehovah rail about "having no other gods beside me." Not because they are Nirguna Brahman or the "Creator" but because they are demi-gods engaged in competitive tribal fights where one "god" triumphs and declares "He" is Supreme.
The starting point is making one of the pantheon, Hubal in Islam and Yahweh in Judaism as "first" among gods, which later is turned into the "only" god. Jehovah (Yahweh) and Hubal (Al-lah) become "the one" as a political struggle.
So these tribals gods, Al-lah (Hubal) and Jehovah, get "monotheized" as "the only god" and "the creator" as part of a political rhetoric.
Even if one admits of a "creator" concept, .that this "Allah" or "Jehovah" is *that* "creator" is merely a rhetorical and political claim.
This is why there is so much angst in this "monotheism" about "thou shalt not have other gods", and "ascribing partners to Allah" being the worst sin. Precisely because these are *not* the Universal, but represent the power struggle for dominance of "a god" in a tribal society.
If you're able to follow the thread, you already are. 😏 You've been conned.
So this whole debate of monotheism vs polytheism is an "intercommunity discourse" within the Israelites serving a particular psycho-political need. This gets extended in Christianity and Islam. It has no reality as such, but for the horror of religious imperialism it unleashed.
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Many "modern" medicine are also extracts of herbs. But the pharma industry relies on dismissing the original because it can't be patented and yields much less profit.
And they'll attack scientific studies which don't fit their prejudice and pocketbook.
Here is an example of @theliverdr misleads and misreads even their own research in even simple things like whether drinking more water is helpful for health.
With his initial list of "debunking" why drinking water doesn't help, he cites the following article:
I will post explanations and queries from the paper. It uses a unique cryptographic approach to decipher the IVC script. More technical people need to do history. @yajnadevam
It makes the case that the script maps to a language, and uses regex to map it to Sanskrit.
@yajnadevam First question:
"The seal Dmd-1 single jar sign matches ana and eliminates other alternatives like ja and la."
Over 50% of White Liberal Women have a Mental Health issue.
This thread is not to mock them, mental health issues are serious and real. But here are some insights into why "progressives" may disproportionately suffer from mental health issues. 🧵
Evie has a somewhat conservative take on this: "Progressivism is an ideology that supposedly demands quality for all, and one that keeps score to an exhausting degree.... that isn't just unrealistic, it's unsustainable."
In a dharmic gaze, equality is not only unrealistic, it is unnatural. So an ideological obsession for equality is a constant fight against nature.
From an Indic point of view, anything that takes us away from the Real, will lead to mental issues.
U.S. has world’s highest rate of children living in single-parent households.
If this the society to emulate?
“Older adults in the U.S. are more likely than those around the world to age alone: More than a quarter of Americans ages 60 and older live alone (27%), compared with a global average of 16%.”
Research shows that children raised in single parent households show impaired cognitive development and also a higher incidence of mental health issues.
So we build a less able next generation… is this a desired societal outcome?
Congress otoh starts its agenda on Day 1. It is very clear about its constituencies and its supporters and always takes care of them first.
The BJP is keen to appease the "opposite camp" instead and scared to do anything that might upset them. It doesn't mind riding roughshod over its supporters. They can even be killed, as in WB, and it won't act. Because someone could perceive it as "favoritism." It's a mental liability.
There are no "irreversible changes." Congress will change things the day that come back to power. Meanwhile BJP lost 10 years and an entire generation fed on toxic textbooks. They could have reinstated MM Joshi's books in a day. Just cowardice.
Many manual scavengers of today can be traced back to the Muslim invasions.
"scholars such as Malkani (1980) among others established that the Bhangis (manual scavengers) were warriors who made captives after they became the prey to the enemy, particularly Muslim invaders..."
So warriors aka kshatriyas, became bhangis due to Islamic force. So much for Islam being "emancipatory"—they created dalits.
"The people who were made captives were
forced to clean indoor latrines and to dispose of the night soil. When these captives were set free, they were not allowed to live in society, and they thus formed a separate caste of Bhangis and continued the work of scavenging.
And manual scavenging become widespread due to the other "emancipators of dalits", the British.
Manual scavenging "was expanded along with the expansion of towns or cities over the last two hundred years... it was legalized and spread across India during the British period."