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Feb 6, 2021 • 32 tweets • 31 min read • Read on X
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A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*

(it's amazing there are enough people to include in a list like this 🤷‍♂️)

Sunetra Gupta

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths…

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Re: "A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Nic Lewis

~0.12% of Sweden has now died of COVID-19:
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-da…
covid19.who.int

judithcurry.com/2020/06/28/the… Image
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Re: "A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Michael Levitt

archive.is/3IpJF

Image
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Re: "under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Jay Bhattarcharya
Eran Bendavid

~0.14% of the USA has now died of COVID-19:
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-da…
covid19.who.int/region/amro/co…

archive.is/QLmJt#selectio… Image
5/K

Re: "under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Daniel Erickson
Artin Massihi

~0.11% of California and ~0.23% of New York (state) have died of COVID-19
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

aier.org/article/open-u… Image
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Re: "A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

John Ioannidis

(at least 3 times)
7/K

Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Toby Young

~0.17% of the population has now died of COVID-19:
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths…

archive.is/FKgQ6
archive.is/ZmbP1#selectio…
royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rs…

archive.is/NBcxM#selectio… Image
8/K

Re: "A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Vinay Prasad
(@VPrasadMDMPH)

9/K

Re: "A list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

James Todaro
(@JamesTodaroMD)




10/K

Re: "list of those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Johan Giesecke

[Sweden: part 2/K
UK: 7/K]

web.archive.org/web/2021020804…



13:54 - 15:02 :
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Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Carl Heneghan

archive.is/nxTW8


>0.12% of Spain died of COVID-19
covid19.who.int/region/euro/co…

archive.is/KCVZ1

archive.is/G3J5X Image
12/K

As further context:

1) Herd immunity prevents one from getting near 100% of the population infected, making the claims of those on this thread even worse.

2) COVID-19 deaths really are COVID-19 deaths:


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Re: "require more people be infected than actually exist"

Ivor Cummins
(@FatEmperor)

>0.11% of Sweden died of COVID-19
(so PFR > 0.11% ; IFR >> PFR)
archive.is/5tz5t#selectio…
covid19.who.int/region/euro/co…



Image
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Re: "those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Avik Roy
(@Avik)

>0.17% of Los Angeles (LA) County died of COVID-19
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map



web.archive.org/web/2021020905… Image
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Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Stephen Miller
(of @aier, who is behind the Great Barrington Declaration @gbdeclaration; see part 5/K)

>0.10% of the regions circled in red died of COVID-19
archive.is/Wfbaf

aier.org/article/the-us… Image
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Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Justin Hart
(of the @Rational_Ground blog)

≥0.15% of the UK, Belgium, Czechia, Slovenia, Italy, etc., died of COVID-19
web.archive.org/web/2021021007…



Image
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Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Alex Berenson
(@AlexBerenson)

[what Dr. Fauci actually said:
5:50 - 7:02 of ]

>0.13% of the USA died of COVID-19
web.archive.org/web/2021021007…

18/K

Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Michael Yeadon
(via John Ioannidis in part 6K)

>0.15% of the UK died of COVID-19
web.archive.org/web/2021021007…
covid19.who.int/region/euro/co…

archive.is/E9ihn#selectio…

from 16:35 of Image
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Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Swiss Policy Research
Gina Loudon of "Just the News"
(@RealDrGina, @JustTheNews)

≥0.15% of the UK, Belgium, etc., died of COVID-19
web.archive.org/web/2021021007…



web.archive.org/web/2020070611… Image
20/K

Re: "require more people be infected than actually exist"

Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath

(she deletes her tweets: archive.is/sWs5l#selectio…)



≥0.15% of the UK died of COVID-19
web.archive.org/web/2021021007…

google.com/search?rlz=1C1…

web.archive.org/web/2021021017… Image
21/K

Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Scott Atlas

>0.22% of New York state and >0.32% of New York City died of COVID-19
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map
www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid…



web.archive.org/web/2021010608… Image
22/K

So that's at least 23 people/groups who greatly under-estimated COVID-19's fatality rate:

- 5 associated with Stanford Univer.
(Levitt, Bhattacharya, Bendavid, Ioannidis, Atlas)

- 3 associated with the Great Barrington Declaration
(Gupta, Bhattacharya, AIER in 5/K + 15/K)
23/K

Re: "so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Karol Sikora
(@ProfKarolSikora)

[via Sunetra Gupta from 1/K]

England: >1.8 in 1000 died of COVID-19
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths…

24/K

Of the the 24 people/groups listed above, 6 were advisors to the vaccine denialist group PANDA:

Gupta, Levitt, Bhattacharya, Yeadon, Atlas, Sikora




archive.is/d0LRP#selectio…


archive.is/JT4ll Image
25/K

To wrap up:

~0.5% - ~2% of infected people died in the regions mentioned in the above list. That's way more dangerous than seasonal flu. And that's around an order of magnitude more than was claimed by those in this thread.



Image
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Re: "require more people be infected than actually exist"

Freddie Sayers
Tom Chivers (@TomChivers)

>0.14% of the USA died of COVID-19
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

>128,000 UK COVID-19 deaths
coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths



Image
27/K

Re: "require more people be infected than actually exist"

Barbara Ferrer
(relying on work co-authored by part 4/K's Bhattacharya + Bendavid: jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/…)

>0.19% of L. A. County died of COVID-19
coronavirus.jhu.edu/us-map

from 36:33 :
28/K

Re: "those who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist*"

Thomas Massie

>1.4 people per 1000 died of COVID-19 in the USA
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality



29/K

Re: "they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Federico Lois

>0.12% of Sweden died of COVID-19
ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-da…
coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality



[medrxiv.org/content/10.110…]

Image
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Re: "who so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Levan Djaparidze
[medrxiv.org/content/10.110…]

>0.27% of Bueno Aires, Argentina died of COVID-19
buenosaires.gob.ar/coronavirus/da…

Image
31/K

Re: "so under-estimated the fatality rate of COVID-19, that they *require more people be infected than actually exist.*"

Abir Ballan
(of PANDA [@PanData19]; via Carl Heneghan in part 11/K)

>0.12% of Spain died of COVID-19



Image
Re: "Clare Craig
@ClareCraigPath
(she deletes her tweets: archive.is/sWs5l#selectio…)"

found it:


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@AcceptableToad @KeithWoodsYT Oh, Academic Agent is still around + switched from @NotCarKing to @AcademicAgent_X?

I remember when Potholer54, I, and others repeatedly debunked his climate change denialism.

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@AcceptableToad @KeithWoodsYT @NotCarKing @AcademicAgent_X It's telling that Academic Agent tells the same fabrication Potholer54 debunked years ago.

Denialists like him never honestly learn.

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@pureMetatron Also telling there wasn't a response to Dave's video on Matt Ridley's climate change denialism, despite scientists' favorable comments on Dave's video.

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@pureMetatron So literalism on the Noachian flood, along with Sodom and Gomorrah?

Still pretty strange to say Jesus did either.

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@pureMetatron Many of Metatron's YouTube fans don't know the extreme stuff he says on Twitter.

So much so that they reject it when they see it.

It'd be a problem for Metatron if Dave made a video showing those claims.

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@pureMetatron Some concluding points of agreement:

- Dave misrepresented why you ended the stream on his Hancock debunk

- he sometimes prematurely assigns motive (ex: Thiel paying Hossenfelder)
youtube.com/watch?v=KW_HPn…

- he shouldn't have mentioned your mother
youtube.com/watch?v=WlqZoU…
@pureMetatron Just noticed gateways from 'normie' YouTube to more extreme views on Musk's Twitter, promotion of Nick Fuentes, etc.

FYI: Nyong'o was born in Mexico + of Kenyan heritage. It's biased to conflate that with Congo + Detroit.

"Helen of Congo"
from 6:47 :
@pureMetatron Also telling there wasn't a response to Dave's video on Matt Ridley's climate change denialism, despite scientists' favorable comments on Dave's video.

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@pureMetatron You say Christians shouldn't subscribe to him because he thinks we're stupid.

That's not what he said. You're treating his criticism of your day-age creationism as meaning all Christians are dumb.

(FYI: Dave likely got that clip from me)

from 35:46 :
@pureMetatron Not all Christians hold the views you do, Metatron, like:

- supporting the right-wing
- thinking the left wing is evil
- believing in a non-metaphorical Adam and Eve
- insinuating there was a global flood

x.com/pureMetatron/s…

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@pureMetatron Also, you distort day age creationism.

It's not just a claim about what 'day' means in Genesis.

It's also the claim that this accurately represents biological + geological reality, such as getting the order of events right.

Layman's level introduction:
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@hausfath Within the uncertainty range of IPCC 1990 First Assessment Report's 1990-2025 projection.

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"predicted rise from 1990 (to 2030) of 0.7–1.5 °C with a best estimate of 1.1 °C"
nature.com/articles/nclim…

page xxii
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@hausfath 1990-2025 warming trend is ~0.25°C/decade.

psl.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/data/a…

Implies ~0.9°C of global warming for 1990-2025, i.e. close to the projected average value of 1°C.

48:40 - 55:02 :
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x.com/AtomsksSanakan…

The red arrow is 1990:
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@hausfath Still end up with ~0.25°C/decade when starting in 1995 to avoid cooling from the 1991 Mt. Pinatubo eruption.

"1993 was the low point of the post-Pinatubo cooling"
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Dr. Anthony Fauci complained about death threats to him, his family, public health experts + staff, etc.

This thread will cover some of the rhetoric that may have contributed to that, along with surrounding context.

1:43:53 - 1:47:40 :
2/F

Fauci is not alone in receiving threats.

For example, there's Dr. Nicole Kleinstreuer:

"Death threats to NIH official spark debate over aggressive campaign to end animal research"
science.org/content/articl…

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Threats sometimes lead to physical harm.

"of 510 researchers who had published on SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19, 38% acknowledged harassment ranging from personal insults to threats of violence"
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doi.org/10.1016/j.puhi…

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