@jonst0kes This will be my last contribution to this conversation.

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@jonst0kes I'm glad to see you admitting that this is a conversation about power, and that you are happy with the status quo:



/2
@jonst0kes As for this, I find it rather telling that the "free-speech absolutist" crowd is so terrified of other people ... speaking:



/3
@jonst0kes I do not disagree that I personally have some power: I definitely have power over students in my classes, in admissions committees, when reviewing papers and I try to use it wisely and be mindful of power differentials.

/4
@jonst0kes Likewise, my Twitter reach (not particularly different to yours), means that I am mindful of what I say on here and who I engage with (and how).

/5
@jonst0kes If my Twitter presence is such that people think twice before saying things that might be construed as racist, etc, well: I don't really see a problem with that.

/6
@jonst0kes For one thing, racism etc *should* be shameful. For another, if that's not what is meant and people push back, it is fine and appropriate to listen, learn & apologize.

/7
@jonst0kes Furthermore, to the extent that I have power (as a white person, etc), I am interested in finding ways to share it with others who have less privilege than I do.

/8
@jonst0kes But to suggest that women *as a group*, trans people *as a group*, POC *as a group* etc, have (relative) power in society is to be willfully ignorant of the facts on the ground.

/fin

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1 Mar
Better late than never, I suppose, but as one of the targets of his harassment, I could have wished that you didn't embolden him and his like in the first place, nor sit by for two months while this went on.
And it's not just about "people who don't want to be contacted" FWIW. He's been spamming all kinds of folks with derogatory remarks about @timnitGebru, me, and others who stand up for us.
@timnitGebru I should have kept a tally of how much time I've spent over the last two months dealing with this crap because it pleased @JeffDean to say in a public post that our paper "didn't meet the bar" for publication.
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@timnitGebru He sent it to me this morning too. I just archived it without reading it, because I figured there would be nothing of value there. (I wasn't wrong.) What is it with this guy? As you say, @sibinmohan why does he think Google needs his defense?
@timnitGebru @sibinmohan And more to the point: @timnitGebru and @mmitchell_ai (and @RealAbril and others) your shedding light on this and continuing to do so brings great value. How can we get to better corporate (& other) practices if the injustices are not widely known?
@timnitGebru @sibinmohan @mmitchell_ai @RealAbril As always, I am in awe of your energy & fortitude.
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No, I will not make any such change, for two reasons:
1. Process: The camera ready is done, and approved by all of the authors. If I make any changes past this point it will be literally only fixing typos/citations. No changes to content let alone the title.
2. Content: I stand by the title and the question we are asking. The question is motivated because the field has been dominated by "bigger bigger bigger!" (yes in terms of both training data and model size), with most* of the discourse only fawning over the results. >>
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They sure will. Here's a quick analysis of how, from my perspective as someone who studies societal impacts of natural language technology:
First, some guesses about system components, based on current tech: it will include a very large language model (akin to GPT-3) trained on huge amounts of web text, including Reddit and the like.
It will also likely be trained on sample input/output pairs, where they asked crowdworkers to create the bulleted summaries for news articles.
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To all of those who are "both-sides-ing" this: we see you. It takes courage, guts, and fortitude to speak out in the face of oppression, knowing that no matter how gently you make the point people will think you're "too angry".
I'm glad that #UWAllen publicly disavowed Domingos's meltdown. It's disheartening to see so many folks reacting to that with: well what about @AnimaAnandkumar?
Just how angry is the right amount of angry, when faced with racism, misogyny, misogynoir, gaslighting, etc? Furious is the right amount.
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"Aside from turning the paper viral, the incident offered a shocking indication of how little Google can tolerate even mild pushback, and how easily it can shed all pretense of scientific independence." Thank you, @mathbabedotorg
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Totally agree on the main pts (about policy makers and about it being embarrassing). It doesn't seem to me that he actually apologized.
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