@tommy_pane I have read your reply. A couple of times.
I'll forebear the puzzled response. Other than to notice your amazing (to me, really it is banal, obvious, and expected by now) ability to contort basic facts into a shape that solicits a picture of a seriously gerrymandered district.
@tommy_pane 2/ What you have to ignore, & what you have to "interpret" in order to buttress your argument is so comprehensive there is nothing left of the original facts.
Your assertions/conclusions are so divorced from the facts/reality that it stuns the ability to actually engage.
@tommy_pane 3/ Which I suppose is the point of a 'religious' devotion. There is no way to contradict a "miracle". Beliefs override knowledge/science/facts.
Your beliefs are impregnable.
Which is fine. It is part of the liberty you(we) have. But it doesn’t allow for meaningful discussion
@tommy_pane 4/ Trying to discuss these matters, re Trump, is like engaging a flat-earther (I presume you are not one).
There is nothing that can be brought to bear on the discussion that makes the slightest dent.
@tommy_pane 5/ Last:
Re your assertion "most people are happy".
I suppose you do not include the banks & investors who were left holding the bag of billions$$ of his bankruptcies. Or the many contractors he refused to pay. Or the family he defrauded. Or the "charities" he stole from.... or..
@tommy_pane 6/ The list is endless.
This latest of the campaign stealing people's money by trickery & f/kery is just the latest.
The suffering Trump inflicts on even his "supporters" is astonishing. That you are so agile in defending it, no matter what it is, is simply stunning.
@tommy_pane 6/ Well. I guess I did not forebear after all.
I have the experience of trying to get someone to accept the basic proposition that 2+2 = 4.
You see it as 5. And so it is 5 to you.
But there is no common ground at the fundamental level of what is and is not a fact.
It has been instructive.
It provides insight into why and how it is that the nation is so riven.
The syndrome is not new. It is a fundamental division laid into the fabric of the country from the beginning. I just thought we might have got past all
@tommy_pane 8/ that. That maybe we might have actually progressed.
But no. Not really.
And it took only someone like Trump to water these dormant seeds and take over the weak republican party and make it his.
And now we have a new faction...threatening a new civil war.
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A PSA for all those who post Tucker Carlson videos and outrages:
His network argues that he is unbelievable, and the judge agrees.
Take nothing he says as meaningful of anything but absurdity and bullshit.
U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil: [accepting] arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses..is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' & 'non-literal commentary.' "
"Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes.
That ancient system cannot be allow such impudence on the part of the citizens to stand.
Now we wait to find out if we are watching the sputtering end of one pathetic era, or the emergence of a new one, reborn, renewed and reenergized to take the fight into the next 50years.
But in the meantime, this news today is a corker...
The lead Trump Attorney, Powell (not Palmer), today, in court admits, and claims as her defense that no one should have believed her. She was not saying anything factual, just
As your defense and what paltry "proof" held encounters reality & a fact based world it is found repeatedly to be without substance and utterly flawed.
The list is long. The case you are trying to make was adjudicated at multiple levels and found
@tommy_pane@BillKristol 3/ unsubstantiated, or in error.
But Gulliani & Powell, along w others, were precise in their claims. Claims that, when they are challenged in the daylight, instead of the rats hole they fester in, they are not only proven to be a fraud, but are BY THEMSELVES denounced as such.
Ever notice how Republicans never acknowledge they have done anything wrong?
That everything that goes wrong on their watch is always someone else’s fault. They have no comprehension of their own systemic failures, much less the moral ones, nor their flailing ignorance & hubris.
This is just one example. Today’s example. Today’s shibboleth. Today it’s all about immigration. Yesterday it was the Texas energy crisis. Also “Not our fault”
But you’ll never find them acknowledging much less excepting responsibility for anything.
The war is not over these details. These are the battles, but not the war. But the devotion to these underlying differences, the abdication of the constitutional values etc. Are metastasizing into serious and insurmountable breaches in the country.
@tommy_pane@BillKristol 3/ The reality is you are on the fringe of even your "side". At least as it is publically held by the current public leaders of the movement...the Republican Party. Which, as has been well documented. & confirmed is now Trump's party.
@AblueUs The Republicans have weaponized “morality”.
Interesting reading the comments on this post.
I think it would take an essay if not a book to disentangle this mess.
The very short form is to look at inputs &outputs.
Meaning
what was actually done
to whom
with what actual harm
@AblueUs 2/ then look at the black box function that is how these events get processed in the public square.
There is a definite pattern.
Hyperbolically, but historically for all that, you have Trump on one side who can literally rape and molest women without consequence (Of course it
@AblueUs 3/ A great deal of shamelessness to pull it off. This being one of the “parameters” of the black box). On the other side you end up with @SenFranken & now Cuomo. Because this is not a true, pure, morality play, one of the primary parameters is political party.