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Apr 16, 2021 12 tweets 4 min read Read on X
[Thread] In-silico molecular overclocking of RaTG13.
TLDR: 191-nt RdRp segments of SARS-CoV-2, RaTG13 and Ra7896 show an unexpected molecular clock behavior. In-silico synonym mutations is one probable explanation. ImageImage
Assuming SARS-CoV-2 is an ancestor of Ra7896 (used in RaTG13) does not fully explain it. Implied evolutionary rate would be in the order of 10^-2 substitutions/site/year in a well-conserved part of the genome, far from a normal ~10^-3 for a complete genome
So, it is not only SARS-CoV-2 having its molecular clock frozen, but also RaTG13 molecular clock running more than expected.
@nerdhaspower and @quay_dr have already noted strange patterns of synonym mutations along the genome of RaTG13
I always make this assumption: WIV ability of faking sequences is not unrestricted. They would never fake aa seqs, due to the protein folding problem. In a few months or years, they would be discovered
technologyreview.com/2020/11/30/101…
So, in silico, WIV would never make:
- non-synonymous mutations
- splicing within genes
But they could make:
- synonymous mutations
- swap genes or the complete genome from other real viruses
Why fabricating RaTG13?: To make it appear more distant than it really is. You probably never heard of that 98.65% identity between SARS-CoV-2 RdRp and Ra4991 RdRp. It was very dangerous!
But, if you want to make one virus appear more distant to another one without being noticed, you cannot just make orthogonal synonymous mutations, because you can get caught with the phylogenetic trees if you do not do it wisely
WIV forgot that they would eventually publish 7896 RdRp that could serve as a close outer group for SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13.
Imagine Fig. 1 is real/base situation, A is fixed and you want B more distant.
Note: A is SARS-CoV-2, B is RaTG13 and O is the outer group (clade 7896) Image
If you just add orthogonal synonymous mutations to B, the clock is distorted (Fig 2, A & B not contemporaries). Correct way of faking would have been making a few backward synonymous mutations towards the outgroup (Fig 3), and then a few orthogonal synonym mutations (Fig 4) Image
It seems that WIV forgot the backward mutations!
I was thinking if it was better to keep this secret until WIV publish their next paper of the clade 7896 to let them commit the error again. But it clearly shows up in any tree. Their problem was not checking it this short segment
New findings support my previous assumptions: aa seqs of RaTG13 are real, although some genes could have been swapped (with other real ones)
...swapped a gene to make this, for example:

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Jun 26
🧵 We are revealing previously unpublished bat ACE2 sequences from undisclosed sites in Yunnan (our best guess is Mojiang and Chuxiong). These ACE2 sequences were unearthed from Bingjie Hu’s 2018 MSc thesis, submitted a year before the outbreak.


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Comparing sample IDs of bat ACE2 seqs of Hu’s thesis and Guo et al. (2020) we identified 3 unpublished seqs from an unspecified trip to Yunnan (possibly 8th trip to Mojiang) and 2 more seqs (possibly Chuxiong). Similar to how we identified the 7896 clade.
The 3 unpublished samples (possibly from Mojiang) are depicted in Fig 3.2, and sourced from Rhinolophus pusillus (Rpu, as in RpYN06 or BANAL-103)
YunNan_9483_Rpu
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Note: WIV never reported Rpu’s from Yunnan, although the HKU team did from Mojiang. Image
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Aug 11, 2023
🧵Natural and non-natural live isolates (WIV & related)
TLDR:
- A substantial portion of the research remains unpublished.
- Missing live isolate WIV15.
- No samples, isolates, chimeric and MA viruses in 2017-2019?
- What is "Rs4874" really?
https://t.co/9JPusWbl9l
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First, it is very important to distinguish between a sequence and an isolated virus. Isolating a virus is very difficult. The ratio is perhaps one in hundreds sequenced. WIV has obtained thousands of virus sequences but only a few live viruses.


AVC Panel… https://t.co/4upna76jru
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WIV have a special series of live isolates:

"We tentatively named the novel isolates BtAdV WIV9–11, based on the order of live viruses isolated in our laboratory at WIV".


"According to the naming order for live viruses isolated in our laboratory at the… https://t.co/3cEoHjXFmWmicrobiologyresearch.org/content/journa…
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Jul 11, 2023
Let's go on an Easter egg hunt inside the pdf 🧵
Page 4: more on the timeline by Eddie
Page 10: some more remarks by Fauci
Page 13: longer version and remarks by Farrar
Page 16: answer by Nature


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Page 19: Drosten here?
Page 19: More context back and forth with Nature
Page 20: longer Slack chat
Page 23: same email as page 13 (+ 1 more line)


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Mar 4, 2023
New pre-print from WIV, ht @babarlelephant.
Some initial comments while we wait for the release of the accessions.
biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
They finally correct the Mojiang mine GPS coordinates. Although still with a 9 km error
(note the greyed area in Google Maps)
First time they acknowledge going to Jingne (in 2018). I was blocked by EHA for asking about this place. Another mine there?
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Jul 26, 2022
It is completely rewritten. Hardly any original sentence from the pre-print remains. The most significant change is the last sentence of the Abstract:
Misc:
- Rambaut now more involved (added to "Software" and "Data curation" in the contributions).
- The 155 cases turned now into 156 cases.
- Fig 1E then vs now (they forgot to update Fig 2B too).
- Fig 1A: many cases shifted East hundreds of m.
Clear misrepresentation by Rasmussen
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Feb 9, 2022
Judge yourself. They were looking for new SARS viruses different from SARS1 but this one found investigating a COVID-like outbreak in miners was not interesting and they made a mistake saying the miners had SARS antibodies.
80% identical means 20% different. I remember seeing that number somewhere before...
RaTG13 was baptized on January 2, 2020 or 1-2 days later. Not what they have been saying until now
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