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Apr 16, 2021 15 tweets 5 min read Read on X
Pfizer CEO said boosters may be needed. Unlikely
1) T cell immunity from vax (and Abs) work against variants; 2) T cells last long time- 34 y & counting after measles vax; 3) 1st SARS recovered have T cells 17 yr later; 4) Covid Vax generate memory B cells (lymph node biopsy)
So, to back up each claim (I have longer thread on this)
1) T cell immunity from vax works against variants: I hope you have been persuaded
2) T cells last 34 years and counting after measles vaccine:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/P…
3) First SARS pandemic was coronavirus like this one (called SARS-CoV) and it also called severe disease. Lasted 9 months late 2002-2003. Survivors of similar virus SARS have strong T cell immunity 17 years later and counting
nature.com/articles/s4158…
Here is another paper on that LONG-LASTING T cell immunity from SARS-CoV (first SARS) and also another coronavirus that caused severe disease in 2011 called MERS
sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
Remember long-lived memory B & T cells stored in germinal centers (like lymph nodes) in our body & generate responses to fight the virus if see again. 32 people who received 2 doses of mRNA vax had lymph nodes biopsied; found B cells against covid in all: researchsquare.com/article/rs-310…
And we all remember that memory B cells from survivors of 1918 flu pandemic were still there 90 years later and could fight the 1918 flu virus if they saw it again by producing antibodies! So, wouldn't worry too much Pfizer CEO announcement about boosters
nature.com/articles/natur…
Oh & why do we need annual flu vaccines? Influenza virus is an RNA virus with much higher mutation rate than coronavirus which actually has a lot of fidelity in replication; doesn't mutate that fast. Also current flu vax not great; need global flu vax
journals.plos.org/plospathogens/…
When I see this article that some are being dissuaded from taking the vaccine because the Pfizer CEO said he will have booster shots ready for us, this is upsetting given the above reasons boosters prob not needed. Could public health please message above? washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04…
In fact, when I see reason is that people are worried this will never end, I would ask public health to increase confidence in vaccines by 1) taking about likely durability of response; 2) come up with clear metrics of when masks/distancing will end to increase vax uptake
I see situation in India is making people question the effect of immunity on ending pandemics. I believe immunity to coronaviruses that are severe likely long-lived for above 5 reasons (T cells, memory B cells & coronavirus doesn't mutate as fast as influenza) but to address:
1) Immunity to pathogens does end pandemics: reason HIV, TB, malaria aren't done is because no/less effective vaccines (HIV actually infects T cells). Without vax, with a very mutable virus (influenza), 1918 flu pandemic sadly ended after 50 million deaths
npr.org/2020/04/02/826…
2) Influenza & coronavirus both RNA viruses (don't intercalate into human chromosome like retroviruses, example is HIV). Coronavirus "polymerase" (what makes it replicate) much less error-prone than influenza but lots of transmission allows mutations to occur (variants)
3) Mistake I, others made in India (I made huge error, so sorry) is assuming seroprevalence studies from slums in Mumbai showing ~60% exposure representative of immunity of 1.4 billion people. Lancet paper: 55·1% to 61·4% slums; 12·0% to 18·9% in non-slums
thelancet.com/journals/langl…
If you recall, same thing happened in July 2020 when this seroprevalence study came out from Queens. Seroprevalence from hard-hit community in major urban center does not represent immunity in a large city with more middle-class/wealthy able to shelter
nytimes.com/2020/07/09/nyr…
What is happening in India is tragic; we must do everything in our power to help surge vaccines and vaccine supply to this large country. But India is not emblematic that immunity to a pathogen doesn't end pandemics; high immunity in wealthy countries from rapid vax roll-out real

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Aug 30, 2023
HOW LONG DOES IMMUNITY LAST? To COVID vaccines or infection? We do not really know but there have been some really nice papers lately that give us more information. Please remember immunity divided into antibodies (which can come down & not work as well against variants)
IgA is one in the nose & mouth ("mucosa") that is raised by shots (vaccines) to certain extent but rise higher after natural infection; IgG is the one that is "humoral" or in the bloodstream. Many threads on here about cellular-mediated immunity: B & T cells cover all variants
This recent preprint is really important and summarized by @florian_krammer below in depth. Main take-aways: Breakthrough infections induce IgA (we knew) but protection from vaccine long-lasting even against former variants to severe disease/mortality
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May 3, 2023
RSV VACCINE FOR OLDER ADULTS: Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) respiratory virus (most common after flu pre-COVID). 2 subtypes, A&B (1 dominates/season). Droplet; Recurrent infections. Most severe in neonates & adults >65; FDA approves 1st RSV vax today
msn.com/en-us/news/us/…
RSV vaccine 3 trials of new RSV vaccine, all published in the @NEJM recently so just to keep them straight- here is the vaccine which just got approved May 3 by the FDA for older adults. Remember our T/B cells so protection against severe disease higher!
nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…
A single dose of the RSVPreF3 OA vaccine had an acceptable safety profile and prevented RSV-related severe respiratory illness by 94% in adults>=60 years (71% against RSV infection, likely to fall with time as antibodies fall but severe disease protection will remain)
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Mar 21, 2023
NASAL VACCINES: To explain nasal vaccines, we have to explain the immune system first.
IgA is an antibody that helps attack the pathogen and exists in mucosal surfaces (like nose/mouth)
IgG is an antibody that is in the bloodstream
bbc.com/news/world-asi…
Cellular immunity is fantastic, redundant (so even if one cell line down in immunocompromised, have other), generated by either vaccine or infection; Comprised of
T cells- so in breadth from vax - works even across spike protein with its mutations
And the 2nd type of cell produced by vaccines or infection -B cell- amazing thing about B cells is that - if see omicron or one of its subvariants in future- they make antibodies adapted to that variant or subvariant (aided by T cells); adaptive immunity
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Mar 15, 2023
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY: Seem to be at reckoning phase of COVID response- what worked, what didn't. Which interventions will be used in future pandemic responses? Interventions asked of public need good medical evidence for them (e.g. RCTs preferably, systematic reviews) to impose
In our field, Cochrane reviews represent best way to sum up the medical evidence to date by performing meta-analyses or systemic reviews of currently-available data; here is Cochrane on masks & other interventions for respiratory viruses including COVID
cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.10…
Many asked past 3 years how CDC developed policies on masks (& age to mask), distancing (feet), ventilation, schools-> all non-pharmaceutical interventions. Originally theory-based. Now 3 years in, have data (RCTs highest level) to form policies from both US and other countries
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Mar 6, 2023
VACCINE DISCRIMINATION: We need to stop vaccine requirements for US entry like almost every other country. Am finishing COVID chapter for our ID "bible" & vaccines prevented transmission early on with alpha, but not enough now with current variants to justify such discrimination
Moreover, shame, stigma, blame (remember COVIDiots?), coercion, discrimination not good public health tools. When used for HIV, public health & ID physicians decried them but tactics used a lot in COVID. This book tries to explore & correct that for future
barnesandnoble.com/w/endemic-moni…
Concept of #harmreduction in pandemic responses means watching carefully if vulnerable people (like students, older people, low-income populations, migrants, sex workers, prisoners, those with disabilities, refugees, minorities) harmed more by response
nature.com/articles/s4146…
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Feb 8, 2023
FEAR: Some media & public health officials concerned Americans aren't fearful of COVID now. But the vaccines & therapeutics DO WORK. If we can't celebrate biomedical advances & imbibe their effectiveness (we have better tools for COVID than flu), what is point of developing?
In HIV medicine, when therapies came out, we didn't say to people- stay fearful; make this the controlling principle of your life. The book #Endemic I wrote (coming out July 11, 2023) hails these biomedical advances & the age we are in to fight pandemics to reassure the world
This is a rather brilliant summary of the issue from @benryanwriter
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