TehColeSlaw Profile picture
28 Apr, 25 tweets, 4 min read
1/ Another thread on valuing RUNE.

This one directly refutes then notion that circulating supply of RUNE important to a valuation framework. Sorry to those who insists it does.
2/ The idea that circulating supply matters is a TradFi idea - we value companies / stocks based on fully diluted shares outstanding.
3/ A company is worth what a company is worth regardless of the number of shares outstanding, and we should account for all the current and future shares when calculating per share values.

Notice the word “outstanding.” Sometimes, companies buy back and retire shares.
4/ When shares are retired or in the treasury, their location does matter. We don’t count those shares. And valuation models change when shares shift into and out of the “shares outstanding” category.
5/ Similarly, the location of the RUNE token affects valuation. And because of Thorchain’s security model, it’s like a leveraged form of share repurchases.

Some details, then a model..
6/ Right now, nonRUNE TVL is $100M in Thorchain’s network of LPs and 32.0M RUNE deposited or bonded. At $14 per RUNE, the network needs 7.14M RUNE in the LPs and 14.28M RUNE bonded by nodes.
7/ The network is in surplus by 10.5M RUNE - an additional amount added by nodes as they competed for a spot to earn block rewards (very lucrative).
8/ The circulating supply is 234M and the maximum supply is 500M, with an emission schedule which looks like this (source: messari.io):

9/ If $1B of BTC is staked in a Thorchain LP, the systems security design mandates that $1B of RUNE is deposited within the LP along side of the $1B of BTC and that the nodes post a $2B bond of RUNE.
10/ To secure $1M BTC, the network must have $3B RUNE. To secure $5B requires $15B.

The nonRUNE TVL determines the value of the entire network.
11/ One simplified approach - “deterministic price” - is to take the value determined by the network - currently $300M and divide it by circulating supply - 234M - and labeling the result - $1.28 per RUNE - the deterministic price. This calculation has little value.

Why?
12/ Now for a model.

Imagine an LP of $100M BTC + $100M RUNE, and a network with the necessary 21.5M RUNE. Imagine $10M per day of RUNE gets deposited into LP. We are changing the location of the RUNE from outside the network to inside.

What happens?
13/ First, let’s consider the arb bots. In the pool, the RUNE is cheap and BTC is expensive after the inflow. An arb bot buys roughly $4.8M of BTC, swaps it for $5.2M or RUNE, rebalancing the pool to $104.8M BTC + $104.8 RUNE. The arb bot sells the $5.2M RUNE making profit.
14/ It’s easy to imagine that sale would likely hurt the price of RUNE. The daily volume on FTX + Binance for spot RUNE is slightly great than $10M.

But what of the nodes? The inflow of $10M of RUNE into the LP means that they would need to add $20M of RUNE to their bonds.
15/ So just as the arb bot is trying to sell $5.2M of RUNE, the node bot (if there was such a thing) would try to buy $20M of RUNE, four times the buy pressure as the sell pressure.

Under this scenario, does the price of RUNE go up or down?
16/ During periods where the arb bots and nodes are balancing out the system, one undeniable thing happened: non-RUNE TVL got added. The network is worth more because the location of the RUNE token changed.
17/ First, a note about the nodes today. They have surplus RUNE. They don’t need to buy more if RUNE tokens where suddenly flowing into the system and staked asymmetrically. So in practice, a large sudden inflow of asymmetrically staked RUNE could pressure RUNE's market price.
18/ Over a longer period though, nodes will have to double up the inflows whether RUNE or non RUNE token. It’s simply required by the security model.

Think of that “double up” as leverage.
19/ For each $1 of nonRUNE that gets staked asymmetrically, roughly $2.50 of RUNE is bought and added to the system. For each $1 of symmetric-stake that is added, $2 of RUNE is bought. For each $1 of RUNE staked, $1.5 of RUNE is bought.

That’s some powerful leverage.
20/ Dividing the deterministic value of the network by circulating supply ignores what impact that value would have if shoved into the network. The shifting of tokens into the network is like leveraged share repurchases.
21/ Here is an extreme scenario that some deterministic-price-truther is going to ask about. What if 200M RUNE worth $14.00 each flowed into the network?

That’s $2.8B of value. Big arb bot sales inbound and nasty!
22/ Let’s say the price of RUNE crashed in the process, and that inflow of RUNE ended generating only $0.7B of additional growth in nonRUNE TVL. RUNE’s deterministic value would be $10 per RUNE. The crash couldn't cause the TVL damage in the assumption even!
23/ After the washout, the leverage to each new dollar flowing into the Thorchain LPs would be 3:1, as in $1M in add $3M to RUNE’s market cap. In the long-run it's always going to be than anyway.

What a rocket we would have then.
24/ The location of the RUNE tokens is far more significant than the count. If fact, the RUNE not in the network is the treasury RUNE.

And the RUNE put into the network isn't like a share buyback. It's like a share offering at 3 times book value.
25/ The system continuously offers 'stock' and continuously accretes 'book value'. That should make TradFi people comf. Fooled you with the buy-back idea. So just know:

Location, location, location.

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with TehColeSlaw

TehColeSlaw Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @SlawTeh

23 Apr
1/ Volumes on global derivative markets are some large multiple of global spot markets - maybe 20X by my SWAG reckoning. Crypto futures are wildly successful products. The options side is developing. Also, there is the whole push to DeFi.

So what about Derivative DeFi?
2/ Sounds like a reasonable investment thesis. I have bought several projects in this space and see them working hard to develop out product offerings that attract volume as scale.
3/ In the real world, derivative market places can be siloed because customers guarantee margin obligations and the brokers underwrite the customers. The promise of cash to settle up margin is sufficient.
Read 16 tweets
18 Apr
1/ One easily overlooked quality about Thorchain’s network of LPs is that they themselves are agents in the market place (as facilitated by swappers and arb bots). The way that agency expresses itself during a market sell-off is rather interesting.
2/ Perhaps we just saw a great example in the past 48 hours.

A generic scenario: BTC sells off, and alts, because they are less liquid sell off worse. Imagine on the initial downward impulse, RUNE sell off the worst of all the significant Thorchain LP tokens.
3/ Not an unreasonable assumption because it has the smallest market cap.

The LP balances are an expression of relative price and don’t change until swaps take place.
Read 13 tweets
16 Apr
1/ Getting many questions, even accusations, about the usefulness of baseline price when valuing $RUNE. Here is a link to a more comprehensive breakdown:

What is baseline price?

It is a calculation derived from first principals.
2/ Baseline price is not an opinion or point of view. If RUNE’s market price below a certain level, arb bots buy RUNE? Why?

As important, a what price do the arb bots stop buying RUNE? Answer: the baseline price.
3/ I can hear the responses, “What about the circulation supply? What about the fully diluted supply?” The questions and thoughts of modern france.

These are forward looking questions, they ask about the future, and invite speculative answers.
Read 6 tweets
10 Apr
1/ This long thread is an exploration on the notion that when you LP into an AMM, you are selling convexity. At the end of a longish abstract thread, I point out some of the ways that Thorchain and its native token $RUNE attenuation this risk.
2/ In finance, convexity is a notion of acceleration. Think of like the arc of ball thrown off the roof of a building. It drops at an accelerating rate. Imagine that ball was an investment, dropping at an accelerating rate. Putting assets into an AMM LP can kinda be like that.
3/ How so?

Imagine a bitconnect:ETH AMM LP. Hah! You can’t unthink that thought. As bitconnect ponzied ever higher, LP investors would have been furious about the way that token was sold out for more ETH by the AMM. This outcome is one version of convexity risk.
Read 31 tweets
8 Apr
1/ The best metric to value $RUNE - its baseline price - is derived from RUNE’s deterministic value. It measures how much RUNE’s current price is a consequence of the value of the non-RUNE tokens locked in Thorchain’s LPs and how much the price is a speculative premium.
2/ RUNE’s deterministic value is simply three times the non-RUNE value in the network. Why three? Because for every $1 of non-RUNE value in the network, $1 of RUNE is in the LP and at least $2 of RUNE must be bonded by the nodes. For example ..
3/ Today’s $80M of non-RUNE TVL requires $240M RUNE - the network’s deterministic value. With roughly 200M RUNE outstanding, the deterministic value per RUNE is $1.20. This simple measure misses one critical, highly determinative factor. Not all RUNE is in the network.
Read 19 tweets
31 Mar
1/ Let’s look at Thorchain / $RUNE and the opportunity to stake into the BTC:RUNE LP from the point of view of a BTC OG with sizable bags. Our BTC OG is curious, willing to learn-by-doing, and stakes 2 BTC into the LP. Why?
2/ As outlined here - - the LP rewards could generate a significant economics (as in more BTC). And what BTC OG doesn’t want more BTC? The BTC:RUNE LP will literally buy the OG more BTC.
3/ So what happens when 2 BTC is staked? Two BTC go into the pool in exchange for an allocation of pool shares. The pool is balanced 50% BTC and 50% RUNE, so it’s as if the OG sold 1 BTC for the equivalent amount of $RUNE - a token. A nfw jfc token! Insert scream emoji here.
Read 13 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Too expensive? Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal Become our Patreon

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us on Twitter!