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May 11, 2021 9 tweets 4 min read Read on X
In principle, a right to "routes of appeal" when social media companies remove hateful content seems fine, if they are allowed to remove content when it violates platform rules (including ruling some extreme content that is legal, such as holocaust denial, anti-semitism, racism)
These are Twitter examples of tweets they now ban. ("Dehumanising"). A route to appeal decisions is fine, but these type of decisions should be able to be made for legal but extreme speech of this nature.
An stupidly unworkable version of this idea was published by @SpeechUnion in their local elections manifesto, which proposed fining Twitter/Facebook if they deleted & refused to restore tweets saying "the Jews are vermin" or "deport all the blacks" etc
It seems an incoherent, illogical and workable proposal that academics should be prevented (in the name of free speech) from publicly praising/criticising the work of Professor Nigel Biggar or the work of Professor Gopal or the work of Professor David Miller
Here is the letter cited. The question is what would happen differently, under the govt proposals. (Would this letter be allowed or prevented? Would Biggar's responses be allowed? Would responses to his responses be allowed? Could people/instns be fined?)
google.co.uk/amp/s/theconve…
A former DfE Spad comments on the apparent tensions here
I would be keen to have wide boundaries (reflected in Cardiff Uni standing up for Germaine Greer being heard) but there are good reasons too for boundaries on the campus presence of eg Anjem Choudary and Hizb-ut-Tahrir, Britain First racists, David Irving's holocaust revisionism
It may be that judge's verdict in lost libel case that Irving brought (voluntarily) is useful evidence for a reasoned decision to exclude. Or would advocates of this new law insist that universities must host holocaust revisionism or denial (both are legal, but extreme, speech)?
This section of the @SpeechUnion local election manifesto would establish new legal rights to have holocaust denial and neo-nazi content published on Facebook and private platforms. I can not see the government following that (given it is insisting universities sign up to IHRA)

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Mar 1
Just about every single thing this headteacher states so confidently - her hunches - in this thread about public attitudes is wrong , if she only did the homework first to check what actual public attitudes are. as @jydenham of Centre for English Identity has shown
This (2012, YouGov) is the gap in perceptions of British, Scottish, Welsh, English identity - and the importance of ethnicity of being white. There was a gap in 2012, but it is much narrower than @Miss_Snuffy thinks it is & the reasons she gives don't fit the data either Image
@Miss_Snuffy In 2012, this was important to be white data by England. Scotland and Wales. The English data shifts when this is re-run in 2019 and 2020-21. Fewer people think what @Miss_Snuffy and her teachers (apparently on pure hunches and zero data) claim that most people think Image
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Elon Musk supports terrorism. He objects to 7.5 years for man who created Southport Wake-Up Group, proposed mosque as the target, championed attacking the police their, **took part in the real world violence, carrying a knife**, and promoted the list of 40 targets for violence Image
McIntyre was fortunate that his call to kill the Home Secretary was not pursued in the charges, which include being the key organiser of the riots online and a participant in the violence against the police in person Image
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You would obviously go to prison in America for organising and participating in riots on this scale (even if the President Elect might later pardon you if the violence had a political motive of overturning an election and trying to intimidate or hang the vice president)
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Jan 5
It weird that @GoodwinMJ could believe the false claim there was no media coverage of grooming before 2011. He wrote a book on the BNP. The extensive media 2004 coverage of Annie Hall's Channel 4 film about grooming being rescheduled could be used to support some of his points
Guardian report on the 2004 controversy over the Channel 4 film covering grooming
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I hope mainstream supporters of farmers/countryside alliance will challenge effort by overt racists of the Homeland Party to associate themselves with the protest. Extreme racism of Mr Laws (who seeks to deport *all* migrants *and* Uk-born minorities) obvs not shared by farmers! Image
I trust many farmers would on a values basis to reject his persistent calls for Sunak, Badenoch & myself to be deported (on grounds that minorities can never be British).

Opposition from farmers to his call to remove all migrants would also reflect a practical self-interest!
I doubt the organisers can do a great deal in advance about toxic racist fringe elements choosing to turn up.

Once such an overtly racist group does seek to use it for publicity & interviews, I think it is reasonable to ssk the decent mainstream organisers to disassociate
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Policy Exchange's A Portrait of Modern Britain (2024) @rakibehsan & @IGMansfield offer a constructive centre-right response to Britain's growing ethnic diversity in a society where patterns of progress to equal opps & the discrimination which persists are more complex
It is a follow-up to the 2014 report of the same title coauthored by a young Rishi Sunak.

I took part in this Westminster Hour discussion with Sunak. I think perhaps his very first national media interview about politics

Yes to recommendation 1. New govt should have a national integration strategy (identifying its own role/responsibility for key foundations). Should respect difference in a liberal society, promote equal opportunities & work on what brings us together
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Oct 13, 2024
Obviously Laws is entirely racist. He does not accept that Badenoch or Sunak are British.

Laws got 0.4% of the vote in Dover in July. Image
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The tweet itself isn't racist seems exceptionally naive when it is a matter of record that Laws primary goal/priority is the deportation of all ethnic minority Britons, including Badenoch, Sunak and myself Image
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