1/ Wow, just read the very extensive & thorough report on Sea $SE from @kgao1412 of DJY Research. Founded in 2009 by Chinese-born Singaporean Forrest Li, it is now trading at $115Bn market cap. 2020 revenues were $4.4Bn off of 3 segments, gaming, ecommerce and fintech.
@kgao1412 2/ Not gonna summarize the report here but I saw many parallels w its development and Chinese cos, which is only natural and probably accounts for part of Sea's success anyway. For example, starting off in gaming cafes is basically what first wave of Chinese gaming cos did.
@kgao1412 3/ Then using social tools to amass users and turning that into an advantage to partner with Tencent and get sweet titles to publish. Then acquiring titles to grow own IP. But gaming in severely underbanked region meant Sea had to find a solution for payments, cue AirPay.
@kgao1412 4/ Doesn't that remind you of the story of Shanda, who also had to deal with lack of payment infrastructure and lots of PC cafes, and built 400K points-of-sale? Yeah. AirPay (2014) preceded Shopee the ecommerce marketplace which came online in 2015. It's mostly 3rd party sales.
@kgao1412 5/ DJY makes argument that Sea has adopted Mercado Libre model, supplementing where it lacks with 1P goods but mostly trying to be a marketplace. In features, it seems inspired by Taobao and Pinduoduo and have a product mix closer to Taobao than JD. Lots of room to grow here.
@kgao1412 6/ It's also experimenting w new products like food delivery, future fintech products, cloud services etc. but there's substantial competition. Bc of its roots in gaming, it's been compared to Tencent the most, but while there's a lot of China tech "inspiration" going on, I think
@kgao1412 7/ the competitive environment is going to be even more dynamic, as everyone can see what has happened in China and they won't make the same strategic errors. For sure not if Hillhouse (an investor in Sea) can help it? And new acqui-hire David Ma, investment head, is an alum!
@kgao1412 8/ The full writeup with excel outputs and clearly laid out assumptions is here. Have a read and do sign up for the membership! BTW, @techbuzzchina Insiders get a discount, I'll include the code in this week's digest!

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13 May
1/ Today's thread is on Zhang Lei's thoughts on retail. You guys remember of course that he is the founder of Hillhouse Capital, the long-term $60Bn asset manager, Yale alumnus, David Swenson follower & friend, generally one of the most successful investors in China.
2/ Hillhouse is a heavy investor in ecommerce and retail. An early win was JD, but they're also in Haiziwang (toy store chain), Belle (shoes), Bianlifeng (convenience stores), $YSG Perfect Diary (cosmetics), Blue Moon (China's P&G), LPPZ (snack chain) & too many others to name.
3/ Hillhouse is a research heavy org. They spent years studying retail. That's bc Lei believes you need to know at least a few decades of the industry's history before you can make decisions. One of the first markets he studied is US, which has a very long history.
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1/ Maybe it's bc I've had the luck to chat in depth w folks at front lines of rise of semiconductors last decade but I get annoyed when TSMC is mythologized like everyone else was clueless or something. Actually, they all pushed each other & btw some of it was luck.
2/ Before TSMC, there was UMC (MediaTek is a spinoff!). In 1984, Robert Tsao was the head, and wrote to Morris Chang in US proposing the "outsourced fab" biz. Morris ignored him. 3 yrs later, Morris is Robert's boss & proposed just such a biz without mentioning Robert at all.
3/ Robert was sore abt this for yrs. Per him, the TW government picked Morris to run TSMC (which is a JV btwn TW govt and Philips) bc he was older and the govt liked white hairs more. UMC did well, but bad luck struck in form of factory fire in 1997 which was a big setback.
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OK mini-rant here. No, like u, I don't know Colin Huang personally & he did not tell me why he retired. But if u're writing abt it and fail to include the fact that his mentor Duan Yongping ALSO retired at 40 & went on to be a VERY successful investor then ur story is incomplete.
Check it for urself. Duan went to same univ, took young Colin to Buffett lunch. Pinduoduo culture / values basically borrowed from Duan.
PS If u're a Buffett fan, know that besides Li Lu & Zhang Lei, Duan also big value investor. Last wk during $BRK mtg, tons of articles abt him.
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Nice Tuan (independent player, BABA backed) told him pretty much immediately he should report for training.
So did Didi, but he wasn't able to get an offer after the 3 day training due to lack of previous experience.
Meituan didn't even give him the chance to train. Niubi!
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1/ One of the most famous investors in China is low-key Zhang Lei, founder of Hillhouse Capital, $60Bn long-term asset manager investing across multiple stages and industries. He published his first book "Value" last yr. It's excellent & I'll have to post multiple threads on it.
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3/ Actually, he only half did himself. He recalls of his Yale Endowment internship interview: he answered mostly "I don't know" to Swenson's questions. He believes he was hired bc he was honest about his shortcomings. Besides honesty, Swenson prized fiduciary duty above all else.
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1/ Another excellent post from China Playbook by @tao_h24, translation of a series of Product Management lessons by Meituan cofounder Wang Huiwen, this one is on understanding the 4Ps (Product Price Place Promotion) in the Internet Age. The Old 4Ps are for atoms, but bits are ...
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So all 4Ps were 0 for Qihoo. How does it make money?
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