1/ This looks important, interchange between TfT tools. Interchange historically fails due to competition between companies. (Lockin customers by controlling their data).
But it would be wonderful in #TfT infancy, if we can already establish interchange as a strong selling point
2/ The truth is, no matter how loyal you are to one product, you will always need to at some point interact with other tools. Why? Other tools may have some feature that you need for some project? Or you might be working with people who use different tools.
3/ Regarding this, #roam is doing a good job. you can export your entire graph to EDN (full fidelity), JSON (close to full) and Markdown files. Their export is improving. Lacking:
+ Image export
+ MD doesn't export all data elements yet
4/@obsdmd by its nature is a living "export" since everything sits on the file system in markdown and physical files. However Markdown has some of its own limitations, so they add some special elements like YAMl to make data richer. It is a good solution, but not as portable.
5/ @rem_note also has good export, in fact they support a few more options: OPML, HTML and even ANKI cards.
6/ Challenge with interchange is these apps have unique features that don't make sense in other apps. For example, how would you export a @RoamResearch query? or @rem_note Flashcard? or a @obsdmd workspace? @logseq org mode?
Some things just can be exchanged without some loss.
7/ However, at the data & formatting level there are many commonalities. All these TfT apps support:
+ Formatting (simple MD)
+ Block references (yep all TFT apps have these)
+ Block embeds (or RN portals)
+ Backlinks
+ Tags
What other common elements do we need to exchange?
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1/ Today I started a conversation with @dr_kvj, former user of #roam & Roam42. He moved to @obsdmd, but has now settled on @rem_note. Since he is active in the Tools for Thought space & I respect his opinion, I wanted to hear his opinion on @rem_note & why he moved to it.
2/ If you are interested in some info on @rem_note then join in on this conversation. If your a remnote user, feel free to add your thoughts. Goal is to engage broader TFT community
First question for @dr_kvj: What are the main features that made you settle on using RemNote?
3/ I am also curious if you use it on mobile device, and does it work and how is the experience?
1/ SRS rule 11 of 20 COMBAT INTERFERENCE
Known as memory interference, happens when learning similar things & we confuse them. For example when learning a language, two words that sound the same confuse you about their meaning, and so you avoid using them.
2/ At the moment of formulating knowledge & creating SRS reviews, it is not easy to predict when interference will occur. Later during reviewing or actual use we notice the mental interference occurring, but don't take action to deal with it. We assume its normal & ignore it.
3/ Strategy: Detect & Eliminate
Learn to spot the memory interference and take immediate action to get rid of it. For example, with two conflicting similar words, do extra focused review sessions over a few days to fully commit those words to memory. Basically conquer them.
OBSIDIAN COMMUNITY REVIEW 1/ I have been promising for some time to write a review of the @obsdmd community. While a "community" is not a product, when it comes to "Tools for thought", community should be viewed as an important feature, not an afterthought or byproduct.
2/ Let me preface this review with a note: For the last year I have been focused on the #roam community & very happy with that. This is not intended as a comparison of these communities, but rather a "new user" experience into the Obsidian community & my first impressions.
3/ What is "Tools" in "TOOLS for Thought"? Tools are the collection of tools we use in leveraging our thoughts in written form. Tools are software, but more importantly include workflows, methods, techniques, practices & algorithms. "Tools" is plural, made up of all these things.
@conaw did an interview and posted it on loom about #roam, amongst other things. Interesting and promising thoughts. Worth listening to if you are a roam enthusiast.
Highlights (having gone through the Chris filter):
- Roam is an R&D company
- Asked about Roadmap - no roadmap (see first bullet to know why)
- Roam prizes allowing community develop solutions
- Channeling Doug Engelbart (if you have to have a role model - good choice)
- Roam learns from community
- But mostly “build” for themselves
- RDF is a consensus, so not looking to lock-in to an approach, roam is map of your mind and minds are different (roammap?)
- Check out hyper graphs & hyperarchs (they have the schemas, need to figure out UX)
2/ First, Roam42 will be hosted on the same reliable secure & fast service maintained & operated by Dave. Second, 42 will become a part of the powerful free open-source suite of tools at roamjs.com. Dave will be taking the reins 42 as its primary maintainer.
3/ This is a big help to me. I started Roam42 last year when I had more time. But now real life (full time job) beckons, & 42 needs more love than I can give. Dave is primarily focused on extending Roam & has the time to give 42 and its loyal user base the attention it deserves.
We are seeing more & more expressions that the amazing people in the “tools for thought” communities have much more in common than they have differences. Harley has taken this literally. Here he runs @RoamResearch inside @obsdmd. Who says these tools don’t play well together?
+ Who says you can’t have Markdown in Roam?
+ Who says Roam can’t export to Obsidian?
+ I see he is running Roam42 in Obsidian, I didn’t even know that was possible.
+ Obsidian beat Roam to an implementation of the Roam Desktop client.
+ My graph is bigger than your vault.
Ok, having some fun at expense of Obsidian & Roam.
We may have our differences in the way our tools work, but we can collaborate & have a common bond in learning, sharing & growing. Check out this amazing thread between two amazing communities.