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Jun 16, 2021 7 tweets 3 min read Read on X
$TWLO - Twilio chart storm - Aggressive grower

Sizeable co growing fast -> $2B at 60%
CPaaS expanding into cust experience mgmnt

Some say unprofitable & just buying growth

Let’s analyze some of the numbers

A short thread...
FCF components

FCF running slightly negative

EBITDA & SBC mirror images (after SBC its ~EBITDA breakeven)
WCap & capex modest (WCap neg since ‘17)

“Cost” has been that # Shares has doubled in past 4y (acq played a role)

BUT

Rev is ~7X in that period ! Beast
Rev/sh >3X
Operating performance

Strong Rev g 40-80%, now ~60%. (Impressive at $2B rev)
GP mgn has declined slightly to 52% but holding
EBITDA remaining negative

Sendgrid acq in Feb19 & Segment in Nov20 playing a role in the numbers, so too the mix of intnl vs domestic
But they have plenty firepower on the balance sheet

Cash (given raises) is up to $5.7B while debt is $1.2B
So they have a net cash position of ~$4.5B
Debt to capital low at about 10%

FCF burn (<50M) is tiny compared to their cash mountain

-> Can make strategic acquisitions
In my view, it’s too early to judge them on profitability

They running it at a small FCF outflow with a ginormous cash pile

It’s about where the tech is going & what they’re creating for the future. Cust experience mgmnt is a big area

✅ CEO @jeffiel Jeff Lawson is very strong
Will continue monitoring and holding this fascinating co

Let’s see what they can create in 3 yrs time

Charts courtesy of @ycharts
(Annotations in previous charts included by hand)
PS - judging from responses

Let me make it clear, I am not saying people must buy $TWLO now. I did not touch on valuation / fcasts

I was just looking at some of the historic perf

Share is valued highly. Lots of risk. You could lose a lot if you buy now & they execute poorly

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Koyfin wins

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Koyfin wins
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If you’re focused on America, YCharts is fine

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Mgmnt seem confident & see big opportunities ahead

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G in FY23 is 66%
Unlikely they’d suddenly drop to 30% for 6y
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