Here's why it's very unlikely we will see peace or a second-state solution implemented, a (very depressing but necessary) thread
The Two State Solution is dead:
According to recent polls (last summer):
55.5% of people in Gaza, Judea & Samaria oppose or strongly oppose the idea
65.2% believe it is not a viable solution
This is to a hypothetical 2SS solution, when you get into details....
80% of them oppose a demilitarized democratic state, equal land exchange, family unification in Israel of 100k refugees, EJ their capital & WJ of Israel, the end of the conflict, guarantees of implementation by the US & Arab states, comprehensive regional peace with Arab states
Land swaps, a core part of any Two State Solution, is absolutely rejected as well
Nearly 80% oppose any idea of land swap with Israel, no concessions whatsoever
Jerusalem?
Over 80% oppose any Israeli presence or control in Jerusalem
Over 80% would rather prevent Jews from going on the Temple Mount than have access to the Western Wall
The One State Solution, then?
71.2% oppose the idea of a binational state where Jews and Arabs live in peace with equal rights
Co-existence?
61.1% oppose a state where Jews are allowed to stay WITHOUT full rights.
67.8% disagree to the idea of a federation where Jews are allowed to live in their country and they in Israel
That means over 60% believe Jews have no right to stay at all in the land.
Not only do Jews have no right to stay in the land, but
64% refuse any recognition that Israel is the Jewish homeland, while 66% of Israelis are willing to recognize them
80% would rather Israel keep all their prisoners than recognizing Israel is the Jewish homeland
It's not just for Jews, even for their own people
54% refuse the idea of a Western-style government with equal rights for minorities.
13.4% of them consider building a democratic political system that respects freedom and rights of individuals an important national goal.
That means 62.7% support withdrawal of troops and right of return in part to destroy Israel physically or through demographics.
Over 75% of them will never agree to a State of Israel and will work toward destroying it.
Look at their views on demilitarization as well:
82% refuse the idea of a non-militarized State
62% refuse the idea of having an intl force to make sure there is no conflict
73% refuse to allow Israel to have any military defense system in its territory
60% would rather live under Israeli occupation than cooperation with them
And it's very unlikely to change. Over 82% of them state that they have no intention of changing their mind about this conflict.
A bit part of the problem is due to incitement and hatred taught in Hamas & PA school, through the media, etc.. to the point where a majority of them do not believe Jews or Judaism can be trusted, while Israelis say it's Hamas/PA who are the problem
Unless there are immediate and deep-reaching societal changes in Palestinian society, where incitement to violence, calls for Jihad and hatred stops to be taught, where they accept to make concessions, there will simply never be peace
I think as a Jewish community we have to reflect that the reason why many Jews end up being radicalized against Israel has very little to do with the actions of the State as much as it’s a question of status, acceptance in social circles, and likes on social media.
And money.
That’s not to say that there are no true believers, some people who had very little to do with Jewishness in the first place and embraced ideology, there’s no erev Rav, etc. I’m not discussing those people. That’s another discussion.
I’m talking about a different phenomenon.
I am talking about people who embrace those views, even if only initially, because it will make their lives better or easier.
It’s especially true on college campuses, social media, and left-wing spaces.
Some it’s out of fear. Some out of need for acceptance. Some for profit.
If you’re confused as to why almost all anti-LGBT white supremacists are coming out in support of a left-wing homosexual Jewish man with two adopted boys, it’s because their only uniting principle is antisemitism. Everything else falls by the wayside.
But it goes deeper:
Before turning journalist, Greenwald was the high profile attorney of Matthew Hale of the World Church of the Creator (white supremacist church) and the National Alliance, a neo-Nazi organization. He even broke Illinois law in defending Hale and was barred from representing him.
While it might have seemed (and this is what he claimed, too) that he was merely living up to his principle and defending people whose views he found abhorrent, he was also the most high profile advocate for Nick Fuentes when he was banned from Twitter and on the no-fly list.
You have been lied to: the palestinians do not want peace, and the war has barely affected their desire to keep fighting Israel, much less destroy it.
A thread with receipts:
We are now almost 600 days since October 7th. We keep hearing about how Gaza has been turned into rubble, starvation is imminent, and a genocide is happening.
Yet 59% of them still believe that 10/07 was the right thing to do. That’s only a 13% drop since December 2023.
Not only has the war barely affected their belief that invading Israel, murdering 1,200 innocents and kidnapping hundreds was the right thing to do, a majority still thinks that it’s great PR for them and will help them with the rest of the world.
The Talmud does discuss the fact that books of idolatry that come in possession of a Jew need to be burned. Books of heretics are also included in this command, as well as those written by apostates. The fact is, however, that the gospels are not singled out.
There’s a lot to unpack but let’s make this clear:
The vast majority of Jews absolutely do not care about the CIK slogan. We do realize that it’s said in a childish way to try to get at us, but it doesn’t bother us anymore than someone saying to you Mohammed is the last prophet.
There’s this very interesting phenomenon where people who are extremely invested in something can’t fathom that others are not just as invested as they are. Which explains why Fuentes thinks that Jews are sitting around seething about Catholic Kings and what they did to us.
We do not seek out martyrdom, but martyrdom was foisted upon us many times throughout history, and to die sanctifying G-d’s name is literally considered the holiest sacrifice you can do (the holiest thing you can do being to live for Torah, not die for it) chabad.org/library/articl…
Small addendum about the “in public” statement: this is when it is done specifically to insult Judaism in public. In a situation where the people have no idea why you can’t and they are doing it for their own amusement, you wouldn’t be required to give up your life.