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Jun 29, 2021 17 tweets 7 min read Read on X
DO I NEED AN mRNA VACCINE BOOSTER AFTER A J&J SHOT? The answer to this is that no one knows, actually. Humility in COVID means we change our recommendations with changing data. And I also think there is no harm. But I don't see how the data indicates this yet.
Remember that J&J and mRNA vaccines actually not that different - J&J has DNA inside an adenovirus "vector" (that brings it in) and mRNA vaccines have mRNA inside a lipid envelope. The DNA from J&J gets "transcribed" into mRNA and that is the same mRNA in mRNA vax. Image
That mRNA is then "translated" into a part of the spike protein by your machinery and you see that spike protein, think it's different, and raise a vigorous immune response against it (antibodies; now we know memory B cells; memory T cells). Some vaccines need repeated boosters
to get strong response and some need 1 dose (like yellow fever vax). J&J vaccine interesting in that 1 dose in phase I/II trial showed increasing antibodies and T cell responses over time: kept on going up past 2 weeks out to 59 days when stopped looking
nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…
And I hope I & others already convinced you that T cell immunity against variants will be intact. This paper actually shows T cell responses of J&J worked just fine against alpha, beta, gamma (and CA) variant. And we discussed earlier that memory T cell
nature.com/articles/s4158…
responses from both natural infection & vaccine are very strong. In fact, memory T cell responses from natural infection with COVID resemble that of yellow fever vax in "half life" (rate of decay). Yellow fever vax usually given once over lifetime
science.sciencemag.org/content/early/…
And this paper shows 2 doses of mRNA vaccine raises quantity but not quality of T cells to COVID-19 (with natural infection needing only 1 dose of vaccine as many other studies have shown). So, what is answer? I don't know but do know that CDC has not
biorxiv.org/content/10.110…
reported increased breakthrough infections after J&J vaccine in their monitoring of breakthrough infections (and 12.5 million doses of J&J have been given out in US). And I know that J&J 1 dose trial was designed as 1 dose but 2 dose trial results coming.
covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra…
And I would also suggest to J&J that they give us some data on real world results as Pfizer has been very quick in their real-world effectiveness studies which inspires confidence. So, I don't think anyone knows but decreasing case rates across US (nytimes.com/interactive/20…) means Image
you are less likely to bump into COVID as a fully vaccinated person than you are in area with high community transmission rates (e.g. S. Africa right now for instance) so think you can wait for 2-dose trial. Again, see no harm but see no data yet for this strategy
Also think it's helpful to look at this whole delta variant thread in reference to this. A strain may be more "fit" and become the one that out-competes others but no evidence for more virulence or evading immunity
J&J data shows today (Dr. Fauci had hinted this would come out) that the vaccine produces a strong neutralizing antibody response to the delta variant. Good news for those concerned about needing another vax with J&J
wsj.com/articles/j-j-c…
And here is the J&J press release on this - strong and durable immune responses out to 8 months and counting. Strong activity against delta and all other variants. Two papers coming out soon & will describe.
jnj.com/positive-new-d…
Here is @NEJM paper on this. Looked at durability of immune responses with J&J vaccine out to 239 days Also looked at neutralizing Ab titers against alpha, beta, gamma, delta, epsilon. Strong antibody & cellular response with 1 dose out to 8 months
nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…
Here is the study yesterday that showed lower antibodies against delta variant in 10 people with J&J 1 shot vaccine (biorxiv.org/content/10.110…) & here is an interpretation of experts saying not as concerned due to T cells, other antibody studies
businessinsider.com/delta-variant-…
And here is some real-world data on the effectiveness in Mayo Clinic system. CDC has breakthrough data (on severe infection) on >4000 people who have received vax in US with 13 million J&J vax doses given, can stratify by vax type to see
medrxiv.org/content/10.110…
And here is some real world data from HCWs in S. Africa (Sisonke study). 94% of breakthrough infections are mild, 4% are moderate, 2% severe even with delta circulating. So, remember T cells vs Abs & how T cells protect from severe disease
samrc.ac.za/media-release/…

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Aug 30, 2023
HOW LONG DOES IMMUNITY LAST? To COVID vaccines or infection? We do not really know but there have been some really nice papers lately that give us more information. Please remember immunity divided into antibodies (which can come down & not work as well against variants)
IgA is one in the nose & mouth ("mucosa") that is raised by shots (vaccines) to certain extent but rise higher after natural infection; IgG is the one that is "humoral" or in the bloodstream. Many threads on here about cellular-mediated immunity: B & T cells cover all variants
This recent preprint is really important and summarized by @florian_krammer below in depth. Main take-aways: Breakthrough infections induce IgA (we knew) but protection from vaccine long-lasting even against former variants to severe disease/mortality
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RSV VACCINE FOR OLDER ADULTS: Respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) respiratory virus (most common after flu pre-COVID). 2 subtypes, A&B (1 dominates/season). Droplet; Recurrent infections. Most severe in neonates & adults >65; FDA approves 1st RSV vax today
msn.com/en-us/news/us/…
RSV vaccine 3 trials of new RSV vaccine, all published in the @NEJM recently so just to keep them straight- here is the vaccine which just got approved May 3 by the FDA for older adults. Remember our T/B cells so protection against severe disease higher!
nejm.org/doi/full/10.10…
A single dose of the RSVPreF3 OA vaccine had an acceptable safety profile and prevented RSV-related severe respiratory illness by 94% in adults>=60 years (71% against RSV infection, likely to fall with time as antibodies fall but severe disease protection will remain)
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Mar 21, 2023
NASAL VACCINES: To explain nasal vaccines, we have to explain the immune system first.
IgA is an antibody that helps attack the pathogen and exists in mucosal surfaces (like nose/mouth)
IgG is an antibody that is in the bloodstream
bbc.com/news/world-asi…
Cellular immunity is fantastic, redundant (so even if one cell line down in immunocompromised, have other), generated by either vaccine or infection; Comprised of
T cells- so in breadth from vax - works even across spike protein with its mutations
And the 2nd type of cell produced by vaccines or infection -B cell- amazing thing about B cells is that - if see omicron or one of its subvariants in future- they make antibodies adapted to that variant or subvariant (aided by T cells); adaptive immunity
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Mar 15, 2023
PUBLIC HEALTH POLICY: Seem to be at reckoning phase of COVID response- what worked, what didn't. Which interventions will be used in future pandemic responses? Interventions asked of public need good medical evidence for them (e.g. RCTs preferably, systematic reviews) to impose
In our field, Cochrane reviews represent best way to sum up the medical evidence to date by performing meta-analyses or systemic reviews of currently-available data; here is Cochrane on masks & other interventions for respiratory viruses including COVID
cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.10…
Many asked past 3 years how CDC developed policies on masks (& age to mask), distancing (feet), ventilation, schools-> all non-pharmaceutical interventions. Originally theory-based. Now 3 years in, have data (RCTs highest level) to form policies from both US and other countries
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Mar 6, 2023
VACCINE DISCRIMINATION: We need to stop vaccine requirements for US entry like almost every other country. Am finishing COVID chapter for our ID "bible" & vaccines prevented transmission early on with alpha, but not enough now with current variants to justify such discrimination
Moreover, shame, stigma, blame (remember COVIDiots?), coercion, discrimination not good public health tools. When used for HIV, public health & ID physicians decried them but tactics used a lot in COVID. This book tries to explore & correct that for future
barnesandnoble.com/w/endemic-moni…
Concept of #harmreduction in pandemic responses means watching carefully if vulnerable people (like students, older people, low-income populations, migrants, sex workers, prisoners, those with disabilities, refugees, minorities) harmed more by response
nature.com/articles/s4146…
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Feb 8, 2023
FEAR: Some media & public health officials concerned Americans aren't fearful of COVID now. But the vaccines & therapeutics DO WORK. If we can't celebrate biomedical advances & imbibe their effectiveness (we have better tools for COVID than flu), what is point of developing?
In HIV medicine, when therapies came out, we didn't say to people- stay fearful; make this the controlling principle of your life. The book #Endemic I wrote (coming out July 11, 2023) hails these biomedical advances & the age we are in to fight pandemics to reassure the world
This is a rather brilliant summary of the issue from @benryanwriter
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