Yes, that's why I was careful to say the Confucian view, rather than Confucius' view. You might prefer Xunzi's takes on it yourself, but this has become the orthodoxy.
is that in practice most people look within themselves, say "Well there's clearly nothing wrong here, it must be the kids who are out of touch" and no advance is made.
@MichaelMjfm@Solzi_Sez This may not be what is supposed to happen, but if a person's only metric is his own opinions, it will do, sure as eggs is eggs.
Legalist theory suggests that natural Darwinian processes will replace suboptimal leaders and systems with better ones. The problem solves itself over time.
We run into the same problem as above. If one person is judge, jury and executioner, then sooner or later I can guarantee you that he'll decide that caring for the well-being of everyone involves chopping his enemies into pieces.
Legalists don't care whether you excel or not. It's the system that matters, not the individual.
@MichaelMjfm@Solzi_Sez BUT. I'm still not saying that the Confucian approach is entirely bad. If you're one guy trying to live your best life then it's a great approach. If you try to apply it to government it's a garbage fire.
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I've had this thread brewing for a while, so let's talk about human nature. (1/n)
For Confucians, human nature is basically good. Even today, it's the one Confucian precept that everyone remembers, thanks to the Three Character Classic:
By contrast, legalists saw human nature as utility-maximising. Most people like luxury, sex and respect, and dislike pain, hard work and degradation. They will try to obtain the former and avoid the latter.
The former vision has certain advantages, not least of which being that it confers a certain moral lustre upon anyone who professes it. Even if you know yourself to be surrounded by shitheads, expressing a belief in human virtue makes *you* seem like a better person.
It's kind of difficult to judge how aggressive the seduction described in this story was. The verb used means "carry away", but my suspicion is that the guy used purely verbal means. I've tried to leave it ambiguous.
I've always been bewildered by these history account self-owns. “We suck so hard at fighting that a bunch of peasants from a far-off little island just walked in and stole our stuff and we still can't do anything about it. Boom!”
Now I'm doing the final round of revisions, I'm finally reading the Crump translation. I found it moderately interesting that my default assumption was that multiple sex slaves were involved in every transaction in this story, while for him it was just one at a time.
Fwiw, the Guoxuemeng translation assumes one person, Forestcat many.
Perhaps some of us simply require more extensive persuasion? 🤷
Bring a bucket and a mop and a 270m-tall concrete double-curvature arch dam with 988m crest elevation and 51m-thick foundation bed, and two underground powerhouses on both sides of the river with 5.1GW installed capacity each.