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August, Age 764: thanks to his new Yardrat skills, Goku makes it back in time to save Earth from Freeza and his dad Cold. He finishes off the unrepentant villains for good, but dies of natural causes sometime later. Yes, we’re at the start of a pretty big downer… #HistoryofEver
Wait wait, let’s try this again…August, Age 764: Freeza and Cold arrive on Earth, and Goku’s spaceship is still three hours away. Just as he’s about to use his new Yardrat skills to teleport the rest of the way, somebody steps in and solves his problem for him…
This mysterious stranger slices and dices Freeza, leaving him incapacitated but technically still alive, before finally incinerating the remaining pieces with a ki blast. The world is saved, but who is this guy?! He ain’t telling nobody but Goku (and any big-eared eavesdroppers)
Meanwhile, Gero’s spy robot is still hard at work. This time it collects cells from Freeza and Cold, but stops short of taking any from this “Trunks” guy. We don’t want to make things too Saiyan-centric, after all.
(Cell’s explanation implies that Trunks was the one who killed Freeza/Cold even in Cell’s own timeline, which must surely be wrong, but damned if I’m gonna get into that can of worms right now)
Trunks steps in against Freeza because Goku’s ship is still three hours away and he’s unaware that Goku can teleport. The implication is that in Trunks’ own timeline Goku teleported in, leaving his empty ship to crash down three hours later. Apparently Future Bulma left this out.
The big plot hole here of course is that Trunks specifically warns Goku of Androids 19 and 20, then later has no clue who they are. The anime fixes this by having Trunks not specify any numbers, but in the manga this remains unchanged in all editions thus far.
As you may know, this is a legacy of the arc’s bumpy writing process. Toriyama originally planned 19+20 as the big bads, but his former editor Torishima found the pair less than impressive and pressured Toriyama to swap them out for 17+18, then Cell. kanzenshuu.com/translations/d…
After the post-Namek wishing wraps up (a period of 260 days), in the manga the narrator says that “since then about a year has passed”, at which point Freeza and Cold attack Earth. That would seem to be a total of one year, 260 days between the Namek arc and Trunks’ appearance.
On the other hand, in the anime the narrator says that about a year passes between Goku’s battle with Freeza and Trunks’ appearance, seeming to ignore the extra 260 days (or possibly taking “since then a year has passed” to mean “since Namek” rather than “since the final wish”)
The Daizenshuu 7 timeline uses 1 year, 260 days and so places Trunks’ appearance in “sometime in August, Age 764”. Since the Namek arc is in late December 762, the anime’s gap of only about a year can still fit within 764, if we just assume it’s sometime earlier than August.
Long story short: the Namek arc is very late in 762, Trunks shows up and warns of the androids sometime in 764, and the androids show up three years later in 767.
Another manga/anime difference: in both the manga and anime, Trunks says Goku dies “not long” after returning to Earth, while his own birth is in 2.5 years. In the Trunks special though, Goku’s death is moved to after Trunks’ birth, half a year before the androids attack.
As far as dramatic opening scenes go, having baby Trunks present at Goku’s deathbed clearly seems like the right choice. Also note that by extension Trunks is about half a year old when the androids attack, but more on the timing of his birth later.
In DBS ep.60, Trunks describes Goku as dying from his heart virus before he was born, in keeping with the manga rather than the Trunks TV special.
Resurrection “F” shows Shenlong revive Freeza in countless tiny pieces, which Sorbet and co have to stick back together again. The implication is that his “marvelous life-force” kept him alive when Trunks sliced and diced him, and only the final ki blast truly finished him off.
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1984: gag manga superstar Akira Toriyama concludes megahit Dr. Slump, and in November debuts its follow-up in Weekly Jump. This Journey to the West-inspired kung-fu adventure kicks off as inventor girl Bulma recruits monkey boy Goku to track down the titular dragon balls. Image
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1985: after last year’s tail-end teaser, things begin in earnest. The initial “quest for the dragon balls” arc wraps up in May, and Toriyama shifts gears to a tournament arc (always a fan favorite in his Dr. Slump days) with the lecherous Roshi and Goku’s new cueball-esque BFF. Image
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Aug 31, 2023
According to Bunshun Online, Dragon Room head honcho Akio Iyoku has stepped down from Shueisha and established his own company, Capsule Corporation Tokyo. Supposedly he wants Shueisha to keep DB’s manga publishing rights but for CC Tokyo to handle DB games/anime/etc.
As you might imagine, Shueisha is reluctant to part with DB to any extent, and negotiations are still ongoing. According to this article, anyway. Shueisha has apparently confirmed that Iyoku is stepping down, but not confirmed any of the particulars so far.
Bunshun Online reached out to Toriyama and asked if he would be working with Iyoku in future, but Toriyama said he couldn’t comment publicly, only through Shueisha. He also said the company name “Capsule Corporation Tokyo” was Iyoku’s idea, not his own.
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Jul 26, 2021
Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai ep.41: Pissed Myst’s great and the logistics of Dai’s sword are interesting, while the castle’s just there to be knocked down. But it knocks down well. 4/5 #DragonQuest #ep41
What was the name of this episode again?
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Jul 25, 2021
Rewatching the DBS panel, there’s a few things I want to note about the subtitles. They’re fine overall but there’s a few things I think are oversimplified or left out. Going through roughly in order of importance…
When discussing the artwork for New Character 1 and 2, in Japanese Hayashida says how it’s Toriyama’s original artwork, unlike the Piccolo/Pan/etc images that have been developed into full-fledged anime designs. The subtitles instead say it was made before movie production began ImageImageImage
Now, it might indeed be true that Toriyama would’ve made the initial artwork before movie production began, but that’s not really what Hayashida is talking about. He’s contrasting this image with the earlier ones shown of Piccolo and co, which weren’t Toriyama’s original artwork
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Jul 22, 2021
May 15th, Age 767: after three days of rest, Goku recovers from his heart disease (a week earlier than Trunks expected). The situation may be dire, but Goku knows the perfect place where Vegeta and Trunks can finally spend some quality father/son time together... #HistoryofEver
Speaking of quality time, Goku and Chi Chi get a nice moment together in the anime, sharing a kiss far too hot to actually show on screen. Or include in the canon, for that matter.
Alright, so…in the original manga, Goku and Chi Chi are never shown kissing. In DBZ ep.147 they share an offscreen kiss (they later made a figurine based on this). In the DBS anime and manga, Goku claims never to have kissed his wife. Draw your own conclusions.
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Jul 21, 2021
May 12th, Age 767 (Bad Future Edition): at 10 AM on an island 9km southwest of South City, 17 and 18 begin their assault. Vegeta and co are mowed down, leaving Gohan sole survivor. Even the dragon balls are no use, since Pilaf and co wasted them on a dumb wish. #HistoryofEver
May 12th, Age 767 (Better Future Edition): 19 and 20 appear on schedule, but Our Heroes are ready. Well, Goku gets a bit sick, but Vegeta covers for him. While 19 and 20 don’t last long, 17 and 18 make short work of the gang. And that’s just the beginning of their problems…
Yes, it’s another busy day. May 12th has the honor of being one of the few specific dates mentioned in the series, although the year 767 comes from the Daizenshuu 7 timeline. If there’s any number pun significance to this date, I haven’t been able to find it.
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